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		<title>By: Elmarie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elmarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 06:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick Warren Tells Passive, Fake Christians to Find Another Church

By Lillian Kwon&#124;Christian Post Reporter
Church&#124;Mon, May. 24 2010 08:14 PM EDT

Pastor Rick Warren has a message for the some 20,000 people who attend Saddleback Church: If you want to remain a passive Christian, find another church.

During his weekend sermon, Warren laid out a plan for Saddleback&#039;s next &quot;Decade of Destiny&quot; in which he&#039;s anticipating exponential growth. And the plan has no room for fake Christians, he indicated.

&quot;Let me just be honest with you as somebody who loves you. If you passively just want to sit around in the next 10 years and just waste your life on things that won&#039;t last, you probably want to find another church because you&#039;re not going to really feel comfortable here. Because if you&#039;re in this church, I&#039;m coming after you to be mobilized,&quot; said the renowned southern California pastor.

Saddleback celebrated its 30th anniversary last month and in preparation for the megachurch&#039;s next decade, Warren took the congregation back to the first church in the New Testament for a look at what &quot;real Christianity&quot; is all about.

&quot;There are a lot of things done in the name of Christianity in the church that Jesus Christ would disavow,&quot; he lamented. &quot;There&#039;s fake Christianity, there&#039;s phony Christianity, there&#039;s pseudo-Christianity.

&quot;I want us to look at the real deal. What does it mean to really be a follower of Jesus Christ?&quot;

Preaching on Pentecost Sunday – the anniversary or birthday of the first church – Warren said that just as a child is born with its entire DNA, all the DNA was in the body of Christ when it was birthed more than 2,000 years ago.

Unfortunately, the churches and Christians he sees today in the 21st century are a far cry from how they were in the first century, he noted.

Aligning Saddleback with the DNA of the original church – which grew from 120 believers to dominating the Roman Empire within 300 years – Warren directed the congregation to adopt and strengthen eight characteristics of real Christianity as found in the book of Acts.

They include: supernatural power through prayer, using everybody&#039;s language and every communication channel for mission, mobilizing everybody from kids to seniors, life-changing truth, loving support or fellowship, joyful worship, generous sacrifices and exponential growth.

&quot;Real Christianity uses everyone&#039;s gifts,&quot; said Warren, author of The Purpose Driven Life, as he rejected passive and consumer Christians.

&quot;Everybody&#039;s a minister,&quot; he stressed. In the original church, there were no audiences. Rather, everyone was a contributor and participator which led to the tremendous growth of Christianity.

Over the next 10 years, the megachurch will be launching Saddleback worship services in every city in Orange County and in other cities across the country and the world. The Lake Forest, Calif., church also plans to become the first church in history to send someone to every nation in the world to share the Good News.

&quot;We&#039;re going to sing until the whole world knows&quot; is the theme song for the next decade, Warren said.

&quot;If we went back to New Testament real Christianity, not the fake stuff ... do you think we could reach more people for Jesus?&quot; he posed.

&quot;Without a doubt. We&#039;d reach more people in the next 10 years than the 30 years combined.&quot;

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<p>By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter<br />
Church|Mon, May. 24 2010 08:14 PM EDT</p>
<p>Pastor Rick Warren has a message for the some 20,000 people who attend Saddleback Church: If you want to remain a passive Christian, find another church.</p>
<p>During his weekend sermon, Warren laid out a plan for Saddleback&#8217;s next &#8220;Decade of Destiny&#8221; in which he&#8217;s anticipating exponential growth. And the plan has no room for fake Christians, he indicated.</p>
<p>&#8220;Let me just be honest with you as somebody who loves you. If you passively just want to sit around in the next 10 years and just waste your life on things that won&#8217;t last, you probably want to find another church because you&#8217;re not going to really feel comfortable here. Because if you&#8217;re in this church, I&#8217;m coming after you to be mobilized,&#8221; said the renowned southern California pastor.</p>
<p>Saddleback celebrated its 30th anniversary last month and in preparation for the megachurch&#8217;s next decade, Warren took the congregation back to the first church in the New Testament for a look at what &#8220;real Christianity&#8221; is all about.</p>
<p>&#8220;There are a lot of things done in the name of Christianity in the church that Jesus Christ would disavow,&#8221; he lamented. &#8220;There&#8217;s fake Christianity, there&#8217;s phony Christianity, there&#8217;s pseudo-Christianity.</p>
<p>&#8220;I want us to look at the real deal. What does it mean to really be a follower of Jesus Christ?&#8221;</p>
<p>Preaching on Pentecost Sunday – the anniversary or birthday of the first church – Warren said that just as a child is born with its entire DNA, all the DNA was in the body of Christ when it was birthed more than 2,000 years ago.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the churches and Christians he sees today in the 21st century are a far cry from how they were in the first century, he noted.</p>
<p>Aligning Saddleback with the DNA of the original church – which grew from 120 believers to dominating the Roman Empire within 300 years – Warren directed the congregation to adopt and strengthen eight characteristics of real Christianity as found in the book of Acts.</p>
<p>They include: supernatural power through prayer, using everybody&#8217;s language and every communication channel for mission, mobilizing everybody from kids to seniors, life-changing truth, loving support or fellowship, joyful worship, generous sacrifices and exponential growth.</p>
<p>&#8220;Real Christianity uses everyone&#8217;s gifts,&#8221; said Warren, author of The Purpose Driven Life, as he rejected passive and consumer Christians.</p>
<p>&#8220;Everybody&#8217;s a minister,&#8221; he stressed. In the original church, there were no audiences. Rather, everyone was a contributor and participator which led to the tremendous growth of Christianity.</p>
<p>Over the next 10 years, the megachurch will be launching Saddleback worship services in every city in Orange County and in other cities across the country and the world. The Lake Forest, Calif., church also plans to become the first church in history to send someone to every nation in the world to share the Good News.</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;re going to sing until the whole world knows&#8221; is the theme song for the next decade, Warren said.</p>
<p>&#8220;If we went back to New Testament real Christianity, not the fake stuff &#8230; do you think we could reach more people for Jesus?&#8221; he posed.</p>
<p>&#8220;Without a doubt. We&#8217;d reach more people in the next 10 years than the 30 years combined.&#8221;</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.christianpost.com/article/20100524/rick-warren-tells-passive-fake-christians-to-find-another-church/index.html"  rel="nofollow">http://www.christianpost.com/article/20100524/rick-warren-tells-passive-fake-christians-to-find-another-church/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Elmarie</title>
		<link>http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/01/04/rick-warren-gets-2-4m-in-donations/#comment-2628</link>
		<dc:creator>Elmarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol just found this one as well.

http://www.bibleguidance.co.za/Engarticles/Rick.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_2628"><p>lol just found this one as well.</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.bibleguidance.co.za/Engarticles/Rick.htm"  rel="nofollow">http://www.bibleguidance.co.za/Engarticles/Rick.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Elmarie</title>
		<link>http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/01/04/rick-warren-gets-2-4m-in-donations/#comment-2627</link>
		<dc:creator>Elmarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a link about what Prof Johan Malan has to say about Mr Rick Warren http://www.bibleguidance.co.za/Engarticles/RickWarren.htm 

Blessings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_2627"><p>Here is a link about what Prof Johan Malan has to say about Mr Rick Warren <a target="_blank" href="http://www.bibleguidance.co.za/Engarticles/RickWarren.htm"  rel="nofollow">http://www.bibleguidance.co.za/Engarticles/RickWarren.htm</a> </p>
<p>Blessings</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah (Discerning the World)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah (Discerning the World)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yolandi

You mean Rick Warrens book was New Age?   I know Roger Oakland&#039;s facts presented his book &quot;Faith Undone&quot; is brilliant - his book exposes New Age teaching not promotes it.</description>
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<p>You mean Rick Warrens book was New Age?   I know Roger Oakland&#8217;s facts presented his book &#8220;Faith Undone&#8221; is brilliant &#8211; his book exposes New Age teaching not promotes it.</p>
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		<title>By: Yolandi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yolandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats the thing Ive been looking for it in my email for days now and I cant find it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But its been bugging me in the back of my head.. I need to scan Oaklands website and look for it but I remember reading it with my mother at the time and we were alarmed by his new age teachings my mother went as far as burning the book along with my Harry Potter collection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_2564"><p>Thats the thing Ive been looking for it in my email for days now and I cant find it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But its been bugging me in the back of my head.. I need to scan Oaklands website and look for it but I remember reading it with my mother at the time and we were alarmed by his new age teachings my mother went as far as burning the book along with my Harry Potter collection.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris Rosebrough is very uncomfortable with this. He has posted another think along episode and he is asking for feedback. I think he is doing important work here:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2010/01/seekerdriven-think-along-program.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Seeker-Driven Think Along Program&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_2554"><p>Chris Rosebrough is very uncomfortable with this. He has posted another think along episode and he is asking for feedback. I think he is doing important work here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2010/01/seekerdriven-think-along-program.html"  target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Seeker-Driven Think Along Program</a></p>
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		<title>By: Deborah (Discerning the World)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah (Discerning the World)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yolandi

Just explain that again.... you said:



&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Pastor Roger Oakland sent a news letter a year ago showing his pdl book in comparison to an occult book written a few years before and it read the same on almost every page.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Who&#039;s book was being compared to who&#039;s book?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_2551"><p>Yolandi</p>
<p>Just explain that again&#8230;. you said:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Pastor Roger Oakland sent a news letter a year ago showing his pdl book in comparison to an occult book written a few years before and it read the same on almost every page.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Who&#8217;s book was being compared to who&#8217;s book?</p>
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		<title>By: Yolandi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yolandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick warren worries me this guy is head of the council of forgein relations ...Hes a pastor and he heads up a big illuminati type group.. I worry when I see him infiltrating Piper&#039;s teaching...Pastor Roger Oakland sent a news letter a year ago showing his pdl book in comparison to an occult book written a few years before and it read the same on almost every page. Now that worries me even more...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_2549"><p>Rick warren worries me this guy is head of the council of forgein relations &#8230;Hes a pastor and he heads up a big illuminati type group.. I worry when I see him infiltrating Piper&#8217;s teaching&#8230;Pastor Roger Oakland sent a news letter a year ago showing his pdl book in comparison to an occult book written a few years before and it read the same on almost every page. Now that worries me even more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Elmarie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elmarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I had the same thoughts, or maybe Tony was in need if some money. he he lol. 

I love your idea of &quot;Bobs your anchor&quot; 

Blessings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_2490"><p>Yes I had the same thoughts, or maybe Tony was in need if some money. he he lol. </p>
<p>I love your idea of &#8220;Bobs your anchor&#8221; </p>
<p>Blessings</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah (Discerning the World)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah (Discerning the World)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 02:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elmarie

Oh really...

Wonder why Rick didn&#039;t just ask Tony for the money he needed for his church. They do after all pretty much own the world.

Elmarie, I think you will do well at my new &quot;News Desk&quot; set up with &quot;Bobs Your-Anchor&quot;  :)</description>
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<p>Oh really&#8230;</p>
<p>Wonder why Rick didn&#8217;t just ask Tony for the money he needed for his church. They do after all pretty much own the world.</p>
<p>Elmarie, I think you will do well at my new &#8220;News Desk&#8221; set up with &#8220;Bobs Your-Anchor&#8221;  :)</p>
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