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		<title>By: Burning Lamp</title>
		<link>http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/28/kansas-city-awakens-to-revival-at-ihop/#comment-13042</link>
		<dc:creator>Burning Lamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 06:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant, thank you for the excellent exhortations. You hit the proverbial nail on the head. I hope that Chris takes it to heart. The delusion is astounding. And El Marie, thanks for heading that link off at the pass. One can&#039;t be too careful these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant, thank you for the excellent exhortations. You hit the proverbial nail on the head. I hope that Chris takes it to heart. The delusion is astounding. And El Marie, thanks for heading that link off at the pass. One can&#8217;t be too careful these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
		<link>http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/28/kansas-city-awakens-to-revival-at-ihop/#comment-13015</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 18:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris

God calls and we are to respond according to His Word if we are to be saved by His Grace. It is His Will that all people may come to know Him and be saved. If you have responded to His call, if you have truly believed and are repenting, then you will be forgiven and saved by His Grace. We will rejoice in your faith when you accept the Truth.

Just a few small points from your posting:

&lt;blockquote&gt; You go there and spend a week &lt;/blockquote&gt;
We are told to move away from the world and those destitute of the true faith. Please see 2 Cor 6:14. It is unreasonable to even expect true Bible believing Christians to go there at all. 

&lt;blockquote&gt; I have been there and I was delivered and encountered God big-time &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Praise the Lord for His Almighty kindness and perfect love for delivering undeserving sinners who Believe in Him from an eternity in flames. When you truly have been delivered and saved by His Grace, it is because God decided to do so freely, it certainly is not because of you attending any gathering. God is omni-present, meaning He is everywhere, all the time. He certainly cannot be more present at a gathering than anywhere else. It is a blasphemous error to suggest that we as sinful weak people can summon God to any place or to do anything He has not predetermined and foreknown. God certainly cannot be somewhere specific as you say &quot;big time&quot;.

&lt;blockquote&gt; It is people like you that sit on the sidelines... &lt;/blockquote&gt;
While sites such as this certainly have an overflowing schedule coping with your type of insensitivities and contending for the Truth of the Gospel, what is it that you do to that end? 

&lt;blockquote&gt; Love is kind! Not back biteing, slandering, and murmuring against ministries. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
When you accept the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Truth of the Christian Bible, you too will find it impossible to accept the terribly hatefulness against Jesus preached by the false gospels and their false gods. It will be your duty to not only murmur, but speak out most strongly against false ministries such as the one which is the topic of this blog, who back bite and slander the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris</p>
<p>God calls and we are to respond according to His Word if we are to be saved by His Grace. It is His Will that all people may come to know Him and be saved. If you have responded to His call, if you have truly believed and are repenting, then you will be forgiven and saved by His Grace. We will rejoice in your faith when you accept the Truth.</p>
<p>Just a few small points from your posting:</p>
<blockquote><p> You go there and spend a week </p></blockquote>
<p>We are told to move away from the world and those destitute of the true faith. Please see 2 Cor 6:14. It is unreasonable to even expect true Bible believing Christians to go there at all. </p>
<blockquote><p> I have been there and I was delivered and encountered God big-time </p></blockquote>
<p>Praise the Lord for His Almighty kindness and perfect love for delivering undeserving sinners who Believe in Him from an eternity in flames. When you truly have been delivered and saved by His Grace, it is because God decided to do so freely, it certainly is not because of you attending any gathering. God is omni-present, meaning He is everywhere, all the time. He certainly cannot be more present at a gathering than anywhere else. It is a blasphemous error to suggest that we as sinful weak people can summon God to any place or to do anything He has not predetermined and foreknown. God certainly cannot be somewhere specific as you say &#8220;big time&#8221;.</p>
<blockquote><p> It is people like you that sit on the sidelines&#8230; </p></blockquote>
<p>While sites such as this certainly have an overflowing schedule coping with your type of insensitivities and contending for the Truth of the Gospel, what is it that you do to that end? </p>
<blockquote><p> Love is kind! Not back biteing, slandering, and murmuring against ministries. </p></blockquote>
<p>When you accept the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Truth of the Christian Bible, you too will find it impossible to accept the terribly hatefulness against Jesus preached by the false gospels and their false gods. It will be your duty to not only murmur, but speak out most strongly against false ministries such as the one which is the topic of this blog, who back bite and slander the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah (Discerning the World)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah (Discerning the World)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 17:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris



&lt;blockquote&gt;You go there and spend a week! I have been there and I was delivered and encountered God big-time! It is people like you that sit on the sidelines and be a critic with a critical spirit! But then again! Jesus got persecuted for the things He did and the people he ministered to. You would have probably called him a fake too. Just like the Pharasee did! Love is kind! Not back biteing, slandering, and murmuring against ministries. Woe to you!!!!!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Chris, take a long walk off a short plank.  You say, &quot;You would have probably called him a fake too&quot; ???  Who do YOU THINK YOU ARE??? a little Jesus??

Cheers,  go play somewhere else.  Your comments are no longer welcome and will be deleted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris</p>
<blockquote><p>You go there and spend a week! I have been there and I was delivered and encountered God big-time! It is people like you that sit on the sidelines and be a critic with a critical spirit! But then again! Jesus got persecuted for the things He did and the people he ministered to. You would have probably called him a fake too. Just like the Pharasee did! Love is kind! Not back biteing, slandering, and murmuring against ministries. Woe to you!!!!!</p></blockquote>
<p>Chris, take a long walk off a short plank.  You say, &#8220;You would have probably called him a fake too&#8221; ???  Who do YOU THINK YOU ARE??? a little Jesus??</p>
<p>Cheers,  go play somewhere else.  Your comments are no longer welcome and will be deleted.</p>
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		<title>By: Elmarie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elmarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 17:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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Thank you yes good point on the toxic part !!!:-)</description>
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<p>Thank you yes good point on the toxic part !!!:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Elmarie</title>
		<link>http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/28/kansas-city-awakens-to-revival-at-ihop/#comment-13002</link>
		<dc:creator>Elmarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris

&lt;blockquote&gt; It is people like you that sit on the sidelines and be a critic with a critical spirit! &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes Chris and the site your name links to does not feel safe. I had a look and feel very unsafe there. And you know, no wonder you are insulting, I once had some one tell me people like you think they have the right to insult because it is their right??? but its is ok insult away as you like. 

oh I see your site links to the following sites none of which I would advise any true christian to go to and if they do they must use very Strong DISCERNMENT please!!!

links
Here are sites that The JESUSFREAK.NETwork has traded links with. While I have perused each of these sites at some point, I cannot offer any guarantees on the content of pages outside this site. If you see any dead links or sites with questionable content, please e-mail me and I&#039;ll check it out.

[Edited: Names of sites removed.]

&lt;b&gt; Please Use caution on going to this link!!! &lt;/b&gt; 

[Edited: Link removed. Toxic. Thank you for the heads up, Elmarie. Admin.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris</p>
<blockquote><p> It is people like you that sit on the sidelines and be a critic with a critical spirit! </p></blockquote>
<p>Yes Chris and the site your name links to does not feel safe. I had a look and feel very unsafe there. And you know, no wonder you are insulting, I once had some one tell me people like you think they have the right to insult because it is their right??? but its is ok insult away as you like. </p>
<p>oh I see your site links to the following sites none of which I would advise any true christian to go to and if they do they must use very Strong DISCERNMENT please!!!</p>
<p>links<br />
Here are sites that The JESUSFREAK.NETwork has traded links with. While I have perused each of these sites at some point, I cannot offer any guarantees on the content of pages outside this site. If you see any dead links or sites with questionable content, please e-mail me and I&#8217;ll check it out.</p>
<p>[Edited: Names of sites removed.]</p>
<p><b> Please Use caution on going to this link!!! </b> </p>
<p>[Edited: Link removed. Toxic. Thank you for the heads up, Elmarie. Admin.]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/28/kansas-city-awakens-to-revival-at-ihop/#comment-12995</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 15:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You go there and spend a week!  I have been there and I was delivered and encountered God big-time!  It is people like you that sit on the sidelines and be a critic with a critical spirit!  But then again!  Jesus got persecuted for the things He did and the people he ministered to.  You would have probably called him a fake too.  Just like the Pharasee did!  Love is kind!  Not back biteing, slandering, and murmuring against ministries.  Woe to you!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You go there and spend a week!  I have been there and I was delivered and encountered God big-time!  It is people like you that sit on the sidelines and be a critic with a critical spirit!  But then again!  Jesus got persecuted for the things He did and the people he ministered to.  You would have probably called him a fake too.  Just like the Pharasee did!  Love is kind!  Not back biteing, slandering, and murmuring against ministries.  Woe to you!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
		<link>http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/28/kansas-city-awakens-to-revival-at-ihop/#comment-12523</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 14:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not read everything on this page, as there are so many other good pages to read! Bur this struck me as SO TRUE:

&quot;Oh boy. So you went to experience their occult church gatherings, had an experience or awakening and now everything you KNEW to be unbiblical before is now ok, even though I bet you can’t find scripture to back up what you experienced. You in your own words say it was “just different. and sometimes strange”.
Please explain to me in detail what is a ‘half-truth’? Is it not a lie? Jesus is the way, the TRUTH and the Life… not half the way, half the truth, different and sometimes strange.&quot;

These poor souls always have to attend an experience centre but can&#039;t teach/share with you anything worthwhile of God. We call them the Charismatics... Yea some of these (in)famous preachers have very evil powers and spirits. I&#039;m sooo tired of everything fake and I&#039;m sure God is too. I&#039;m so glad they won&#039;t get away with it.
BTW: The just shall live by faith [not experience] (Hab 2:4, Rom 1:17, Gal 3:11 and Heb 10:38 - wow I just found it in 4 places!)
Very important: Heb 11:1  Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not read everything on this page, as there are so many other good pages to read! Bur this struck me as SO TRUE:</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh boy. So you went to experience their occult church gatherings, had an experience or awakening and now everything you KNEW to be unbiblical before is now ok, even though I bet you can’t find scripture to back up what you experienced. You in your own words say it was “just different. and sometimes strange”.<br />
Please explain to me in detail what is a ‘half-truth’? Is it not a lie? Jesus is the way, the TRUTH and the Life… not half the way, half the truth, different and sometimes strange.&#8221;</p>
<p>These poor souls always have to attend an experience centre but can&#8217;t teach/share with you anything worthwhile of God. We call them the Charismatics&#8230; Yea some of these (in)famous preachers have very evil powers and spirits. I&#8217;m sooo tired of everything fake and I&#8217;m sure God is too. I&#8217;m so glad they won&#8217;t get away with it.<br />
BTW: The just shall live by faith [not experience] (Hab 2:4, Rom 1:17, Gal 3:11 and Heb 10:38 &#8211; wow I just found it in 4 places!)<br />
Very important: Heb 11:1  Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Burning Lamp</title>
		<link>http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/28/kansas-city-awakens-to-revival-at-ihop/#comment-12438</link>
		<dc:creator>Burning Lamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 05:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura, it seems you are basing your acceptance of IHOP on experiences you consider positive and not so much on the Word of God. Yes, prayer is an important part of the believer&#039;s life, but when it is based on faulty Dominionist theology, it is not pleasing to God. 

Emotions and experience are deceiving and cannot be trusted. Things can appear to be okay on the surface, but I hope you will take a deeper look at the movement and the fallacy of the doctrine that drives it. There is plenty of info available on Dominionism and Kingdom Now theology on the web and on this site. 

As El Marie said, no one is judging unrighteously here, but merely trying to point out concerns that can hurt God&#039;s precious people. There are no doubt sincere believers caught up in this and it is the loving thing to do issue warnings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura, it seems you are basing your acceptance of IHOP on experiences you consider positive and not so much on the Word of God. Yes, prayer is an important part of the believer&#8217;s life, but when it is based on faulty Dominionist theology, it is not pleasing to God. </p>
<p>Emotions and experience are deceiving and cannot be trusted. Things can appear to be okay on the surface, but I hope you will take a deeper look at the movement and the fallacy of the doctrine that drives it. There is plenty of info available on Dominionism and Kingdom Now theology on the web and on this site. </p>
<p>As El Marie said, no one is judging unrighteously here, but merely trying to point out concerns that can hurt God&#8217;s precious people. There are no doubt sincere believers caught up in this and it is the loving thing to do issue warnings.</p>
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		<title>By: Elmarie</title>
		<link>http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/28/kansas-city-awakens-to-revival-at-ihop/#comment-12331</link>
		<dc:creator>Elmarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 22:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>laura

&lt;blockquote&gt; You can judge IHOP all you want &lt;/blockquote&gt;

No one has judged any one here as it is only God who Judges. Isaiah 33:22 The article above speak for itself. We are told clearly in the Word to also test all things to see whether they proceed from God.

We should expect that in the last days people will turn to apostasy. We are told that people will perish because they refused the love and truth that would save them.  

Psalm 125:3
For the scepter of wickedness shall not rest upon the land of the [uncompromisingly] righteous, lest the righteous (God&#039;s people) stretch forth their hands to iniquity and apostasy.
Psalm 125:2-4 

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no one deceive or beguile you in any way, for that day will not come except the apostasy comes first [unless the predicted great falling away of those who have professed to be Christians has come], and the man of lawlessness (sin) is revealed, who is the son of doom (of perdition),
2 Thessalonians 2:2-4

We as Christians should not base our faith on &quot;man made experiences&quot; it could be very dangerous. Churches today will much rather have people &lt;b&gt; experience something &lt;/b&gt;  than actually preach the gospel and repentance and that is very sad. I always go back to the Gospels and then I clearly see that Jesus and his Disciples never put &quot;experiences&quot; forward as a means of salvation. Jesus and his Disciples  preached the Gospel and by hearing the Gospel people found salvation not by going to an IHOP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>laura</p>
<blockquote><p> You can judge IHOP all you want </p></blockquote>
<p>No one has judged any one here as it is only God who Judges. Isaiah 33:22 The article above speak for itself. We are told clearly in the Word to also test all things to see whether they proceed from God.</p>
<p>We should expect that in the last days people will turn to apostasy. We are told that people will perish because they refused the love and truth that would save them.  </p>
<p>Psalm 125:3<br />
For the scepter of wickedness shall not rest upon the land of the [uncompromisingly] righteous, lest the righteous (God&#8217;s people) stretch forth their hands to iniquity and apostasy.<br />
Psalm 125:2-4 </p>
<p>2 Thessalonians 2:3<br />
Let no one deceive or beguile you in any way, for that day will not come except the apostasy comes first [unless the predicted great falling away of those who have professed to be Christians has come], and the man of lawlessness (sin) is revealed, who is the son of doom (of perdition),<br />
2 Thessalonians 2:2-4</p>
<p>We as Christians should not base our faith on &#8220;man made experiences&#8221; it could be very dangerous. Churches today will much rather have people <b> experience something </b>  than actually preach the gospel and repentance and that is very sad. I always go back to the Gospels and then I clearly see that Jesus and his Disciples never put &#8220;experiences&#8221; forward as a means of salvation. Jesus and his Disciples  preached the Gospel and by hearing the Gospel people found salvation not by going to an IHOP.</p>
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		<title>By: laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 20:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand where people come from. But there are times when you need to be careful about what is going on and watch your heart. I see people there sometimes wanting to receive prayer from Wes and Allen. I mean I can understand, I can&#039;t judge.

I truely love IHOP and the idea of 24/7 prayer and worship. My relationship with Christ and God has never been better. They have taught me to forgive my family and friends. At first I thought they were faking, but then I trusted in God and knew I had no right to judge and that He will go to people in different ways. 

You can judge IHOP all you want. The idea of 24/7 prayer and worship is amazing. Times when I can&#039;t go to church because of work or school, I know that I can go to IHOP afterwards and still continue to learn more and worship this amazing GOD. But I say don&#039;t judge until you have gone there more than once. And don&#039;t just go to the awakening services, go to the Global Prayer Room as well. It&#039;s a completely different atmosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand where people come from. But there are times when you need to be careful about what is going on and watch your heart. I see people there sometimes wanting to receive prayer from Wes and Allen. I mean I can understand, I can&#8217;t judge.</p>
<p>I truely love IHOP and the idea of 24/7 prayer and worship. My relationship with Christ and God has never been better. They have taught me to forgive my family and friends. At first I thought they were faking, but then I trusted in God and knew I had no right to judge and that He will go to people in different ways. </p>
<p>You can judge IHOP all you want. The idea of 24/7 prayer and worship is amazing. Times when I can&#8217;t go to church because of work or school, I know that I can go to IHOP afterwards and still continue to learn more and worship this amazing GOD. But I say don&#8217;t judge until you have gone there more than once. And don&#8217;t just go to the awakening services, go to the Global Prayer Room as well. It&#8217;s a completely different atmosphere.</p>
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