moscowbob Hmmmmm ok. Do you believe in Salvation? Where will you be duri...
ek sekondeer Elmarie! sy kommentaar 'hang' bietjie in die lug!...
Craig Thanks for coming to judge me. Would you like 1 or 2 sugars with th...
“The same condition exists in the 21st century! They need a heart transpl...
I'm left a little confused after reading your comments. Firstly, I am m...
Bob >>ps–I know about D Fish. He rebuked me because I once addre...
Baw-wa-wa-ha-ha! Amanda! I fell for it! I scroll up to see where you're see...
Deborah, Thank you very much for your answer, but I have just read throu...
Deborah (Discerning the World) >>Sad isn’t it :(<< Yes in...
burphhhhh lol...
Oh Olak made the tweet sound ha haha must be the usb cable oooops now there...
ha ha ha Jong julle is tog te skerp om al die dinge raak te sien. News f...
moscowbob I am quite busy today so I am giving you a copy and paste answer...
My word! Is that Bobs in the tree on the left? Two eyes near the top, nose ...
Is that Olak's black nose above red shirt? Also mouth, eye and floppy ear? ...
This is a nice explanation: When is the Rapture? 1. What is the Rapture? ...
Deborah You could have made money with this, ya know....
Imaginary Jesus sitting on the white horse - If you look closely you won't ...
Yeah I tried to get one of the crowd but I could not find a high enough spo...
uuuhhhhuuuummm - niiiice horsie! not totally white, but yeah, it's ok! my e...
Hello Deborah, Thank you for your response, I am not sure I follow what ...
Thanks for pics DTW...
Ha ha ha I have a hunting dog Beagle he is an briliant nose too. But hmmmm ...
Deborah Peanuts for you....
Photos are on the article at the bottom. Enjoy....
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Cecilia Do you have a link to Deeper? I'll see that and raise you thr...
Thanks Jean. Gosh I need to find my usb cable... seeing the horse adds a...
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GrowingAndLearning Ok seeing that you wont go to scripture to find the ans...
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“It remains, year after year, one of the most talked-about and polarizing books on America’s raging culture war – praised as essential reading by major Christian and Jewish leaders, while simultaneously being condemned, banned, and the object of vicious legal persecution.” ♦ –Now hear this! ‘Marketing of Evil’ audiobook!–
“Sheik Tells Children the Story of Palestinian Female Suicide Bomber Wafa Idris, Concluding: Allah Willing, We Will All Become Like Wafa Idris.” ♦ –Sheik Tells Children the Story of Suicide Bomber–
“My father has run his race and finished his course. Now he is in Heaven, and we as Christians have the Bible promise that someday we will be reunited. My heart is sad, but my faith in God is soaring, says Richard Roberts.” ♦ –Evangelist Oral Roberts Graduates to Heaven at 91–
“No pre-registration is required for the general healing rooms. Upon arrival, simply sign up with the receptionist at the front desk. You will then be led into the prayer room for a time of silent soaking prayer before being taken into one of the healing rooms for a time of focused, private prayer. The healing rooms are staffed with teams of two to three healing ministers who will pray for you, anointing you with oil if you desire. Each minister has a separate role in order to provide those who are seeking healing a comfortable, encouraging, and loving experience.” [1] [Emphasis added]
[DTW note: silent soaking prayer is just another deceptive term for contemplative prayer. Note they have silent soaking prayer and then focused private prayer. No wonder everyone is confused, no one just says what they mean anymore. What they mean is this; first they teach you the OCCULT way of prayer (contemplative meditation/prayer) and then you can do the normal biblical standard way of praying.]
Bethany Healing Room
“The Bethany Room is designated for the critically and terminally ill. The same healing model is used in the Bethany Room except that contemplative prayer is used during the prayer time. Contemplative prayer is silent prayer communing with the Holy Spirit who dwells inside of believers in Jesus. This style of prayer provides a peaceful and restful atmosphere while those ministering cry out to the Lord in silence for healing. The one receiving ministry is taught how to pray through and meditate on scriptures concerning healing while communing with the indwelling Spirit. “If the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you” (Rom. 8:11). ” [1] [Emphasis added]
Mike Bickle is the director of the International House of Prayer Missions Base in Kansas City (IHOP–KC), an evangelical missions organization based on 24/7 prayer with worship that is engaged in evangelism, healing the sick, inner city outreach, multiple justice initiatives, planting houses of prayer, and training missionaries. IHOP–KC has continued in nonstop prayer led by worship teams since September 19,1999, and is committed to combining 24/7 prayers for justice with 24/7 works of justice. IHOP–KC offers full-time training in Bible, music, and media schools. Mike’s teaching emphasizes growing in passion for Jesus through intimacy with God, doing evangelism and missions work from the place of night and day prayer, and the end times.
Mike Bickle, director of the International House of Prayer (IHOP) in Kansas City, and a well-known leader in the Prophetic Movement, claims that God is restoring contemplative prayer to the church. He goes on to claim that contemplative prayer is a God ordained means of entering into the fullness of God, and that the brightest lights in church history have been Roman Catholic mystics who lived during the dark ages. He went on to say the western church had much to learn from these mystics.
Anti-evangelical propaganda is prominent throughout his message. He informs his followers that they are constantly being put on the defensive by, and apologizing to, evangelical Christians for their intensity toward God by saying “Other Christians force us to hide our intensity—to wear a façade. “…even believers in Jesus…are made uncomfortable and intimidated by our spiritual intensity.”
However, he comforts them with the good news that they don’t “have to wear any façade” when they got together in little oasis’ “like this” (meaning his and other prophetic meetings). He continued his barrage against evangelicals by saying,
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Over the last decade the International House of Prayer, or IHOP as it’s usually called, has become a destination where worshippers lift non-stop praise and prayer up to God 24-hours a day. Now, there’s a new level of worship taking place at the ministry.
A series of miracle-filled meetings has been going on at the IHOP almost nightly since early November. As CBN News arrived to check out this move of the Holy Spirit, two young men were testifying about healings they had just experienced.
Jay Fridenmaker plays bass guitar in one of IHOP’s worship teams. He was so nearsighted that from the stage where he plays and these meetings take place, he’d never been able to see the big green digital clock on the other side of the auditorium.
“I’ve been asking the Lord for the last few days to heal my eyes,” Jay said. “A couple of people came over and prayed for me and my eyes…and now I can read things that are far away.” And he said the clock is now crystal clear.
Steve Moduno works with one of the other worship teams. Suffering with asthma since he was born, Steve has never been able to take deep breaths.
But he’d just been prayed for when CBN News showed up.
“Immediately I could breathe deeply.” We asked him to take a deep breath. He sucked in huge gulps of air. We said, “You were never able to do that before?” “No,” he replied, with a big, happy grin.
This article was written back in 2008, on Die Erdekruik / The Vessel blog. Since reading this article back in 2008 already, I have yet to hear any news on what’s happening with this venture? Does anyone know anything? Seeing as thought GOD birthed the blueprints for this unique bank you would imagine it would have been built already.
Anyone got an idea as to who these core group of believers are?
God has already birthed the blueprint for a unique bank based upon Christian principles in the hearts of a core group of believers in South Africa. And the proposed launch of this Christian bank – to be known as the Manna Bank – is expected to take place by mid 2009.
If successful, this South African initiative, born in this prophetic year of countrywide revival, can have far-reaching positive implications for the whole of Africa.
This dynamic development involves establishing a financial institution that is wholly owned by the Body of Christ and totally independent from the current financial institutions; a bank that will be 100% asset-backed and would not charge any interest on home loans or assets finance; and a professional institution conforming to international monetary law, with state-of-the-art smart card security. Added to this is a cash card system that will give a substantial saving when you are buying from a linked Christian trading association. This is all part of God’s plan to transfer the riches of the unjust to the hands of the just, a system that will effectively reverse the effect of inflation and provide streams in the desert.
Discerning the World says: Thank you Lighthouse Trails!!
Mark Driscoll is a name that has grown in popularity among evangelicals especially over the past few years. Somewhat known for his vulgar and crass language in public, he has been invited to speak at conferences by a wide assortment of Christian leaders-John Piper and Robert Schuller to name two. Driscoll also shared a platform this year at the Gospel Coalition National Conference with a number of respected Christian evangelical figures such as D.A. Carson, Erwin Lutzer, and Joshua Harris. Coming up in 2010, Driscoll has been invited by Rick Warren to speak at the Radicalis conference.
Although Driscoll, pastor of Mars Hill Fellowship in Seattle Washington, is said to have denounced certain aspects of the emergent church, Driscoll is a proponent of the main element behind the emerging church – contemplative prayer.
Presently, on Driscoll’s website, The Resurgence (see whois info) is an article titled “How to Practice Meditative Prayer.” The article is written by an Acts 29 (Driscoll’s network of churches) pastor, Winfield Bevins. A nearly identical article on Driscoll’s site, also by Bevins, is titled Meditative Prayer: Filling the Mind. Both articles show a drawing of a human brain. In this latter article, Bevins recognizes contemplative mystic pioneer Richard Foster:
Before I carry on..actually let me not waste my all my time on this one, because I mentioned this to Cobus before. Please do all genuine Christians a favour and call yourself something other than Christian. In fact you insult pantheists by calling yourself a Christian – ever ‘meditated’ on that one? Here’s a mantra for you: ‘I must stop lying to myself’. Repeat 100x per sitting, 7x a day, for as long as it takes for you to be COMPLETELY honest.
I find it incredible that you are a pastor at an NG Kerk and you still have people come there on Sundays to ‘worship God’. Let’s put that ’god’ in lowercase shall we. It would appear that the South African white population are quite an ungodly bunch. Who would have guessed. Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. Who can know it?”
Let’s make this coming New Years the year you tell your flock; ”I am not a Christian – everyone who wants to leave this church please do so now, and save yourselves from deception”.
The usual suspects spoke at the Mosaic Congress namely; Ron Martoia (USA), Stephan Joubert, Johan Geyser, Trevor Hudson, Gavin Sklar-Chik, Gys Du Plessis, Willem Nicol, Rex van Vuuren, Annemarie Paulin-Campell
The new-old magical way to get in touch with God –
The well-known song “Silence is Golden may have been a hit on the singles UK charts in 1967, but the refrain “Silence is Truth” has hit the Christian Church like a tsunami, carrying with it in it’s destructive wake many unsuspecting Christians. One of the major contributors to this utterly devastating “silent” storm is the Mosaic Church in Fairlands, Johannesburg.
As an introduction to my critique on the Mosaic Congress I would like to draw your attention to certain words and phrases that all the keynote speakers used throughout their presentations. A word that kept popping up like a well-watered toadstool in each of their corpulently worded lectures was the word “silence.”Bearing in mind that most of these speakers’ mentors and gurus have drunk from the wells of Buddhism (i.e. Thomas Merton, Thomas Keating etc.) it is no surprise that their entire spiritual journey revolves mainly around Buddhist spiritualities and not the cross of Jesus Christ. In fact, the only time they referred to the word “cross” was when they endearingly spoke of St John of the Cross, a Desert Father who coined the phrase “Silence is the first language of God.”
Oh wait they forgot to include Evangelists in their survey like Benny Hinn – He often goes to Kathryn Kuhlman’s grave to get power and Kobus van Rensburg from Spirit Word TV was filmed live on his TV show eating grass from around William Branham’s grave (in the USA) - because ‘God’ told him he would receive Branham’s mantle if he ate the grass – Oh wait this article is about channelling. What Benny Hinn et al. are doing is necromancy. Sorry wrong topic.
But do not be worried about this exposure Senators, Democrats, Republicans and other politicians in America and around the world; especially those in the basements of the UN buildings and the Vatican, etc. Here in South Africa practically our entire government communicates with their dead ancestors and visiting Witchdoctors or Syngomas are the norm. Gosh even Princess Diana had her own personal medium. Like what’s new?
But let’s get back to Chelsea Schilling’s article from WorldNewDaily
More likely than GOP to consult fortune-tellers, believe in astrology, reincarnation
Democrats are far more in touch with the dead than Republicans and they also visit fortune-tellers more often, a new study reveals.
The number of Americans who say they have interacted with a ghost has doubled in the last 13 years, the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life revealed in its “Many Americans Mix Multiple Faiths” report.
By ROSS DOUTHAT - December 20, 2009 - The New York Times
It’s fitting that James Cameron’s “Avatar” arrived in theaters at Christmastime. Like the holiday season itself, the science fiction epic is a crass embodiment of capitalistic excess wrapped around a deeply felt religious message. It’s at once the blockbuster to end all blockbusters, and the Gospel According to James.
But not the Christian Gospel. Instead, “Avatar” is Cameron’s long apologia for pantheism — a faith that equates God with Nature, and calls humanity into religious communion with the natural world.
In Cameron’s sci-fi universe, this communion is embodied by the blue-skinned, enviably slender Na’Vi, an alien race whose idyllic existence on the planet Pandora is threatened by rapacious human invaders. The Na’Vi are saved by the movie’s hero, a turncoat Marine, but they’re also saved by their faith in Eywa, the “All Mother,” described variously as a network of energy and the sum total of every living thing.
If this narrative arc sounds familiar, that’s because pantheism has been Hollywood’s religion of choice for a generation now. It’s the truth that Kevin Costner discovered when he went dancing with wolves. It’s the metaphysic woven through Disney cartoons like “The Lion King” and “Pocahontas.” And it’s the dogma of George Lucas’s Jedi, whose mystical Force “surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together.”
Lawyers for the Roman Catholic Church have urged a court in Malaysia to let Christians use “Allah” as a translation for God and overturn a government ban that has become a symbol of religious grievances in the Muslim-majority nation, the Associated Press is reporting.
The High Court began hearing legal arguments Monday in the dispute, which began in late 2007 after the government blocked non-Muslims from translating God as “Allah” in their literature on the grounds that it would confuse Muslims.
Authorities have insisted that the name should be used exclusively by Muslims. The ban mainly affects the Malay-language edition of the Catholic Church’s main publication in Malaysia, The Herald, which is read mostly by indigenous tribes who converted to Christianity decades ago.
“Our position has been made clear to the court,” The Herald’s editor, the Rev. Lawrence Andrew, told the AP. “The main thing is we’ve been using this word … for a long time, for centuries.”
But in recent years, authorities have seized some Malay-language Bibles that used “Allah.”
We are reminded of reports a couple of years ago that a Catholic bishop in the Netherlands wanted Dutch Catholics to call God “Allah.”
Tiny Muskens, then the bishop of Breda, told a Dutch television station that using the name in church, as is common in many Muslim countries, would eventually promote rapprochement between Islam and Christianity.
“Someone like me has prayed to Allah yang maha kuasa [Almighty God] for eight years in Indonesia and other priests for 20 or 30 years,” he said. “In the heart of the Eucharist, God is called Allah over there, so why can’t we start doing that together?”
Business, leadership, networks, churches, planting, communities, transformation, growth, change. This is all we hear lately. So I wondered if there was any correlation between the Seven Transformations of Leadership — (David Rooke and William R. Torbert - Harvard Business Review) and my Action Steps toward Enlightenment and World Transformation. – (Deborah from wwww.discerningtheworld.com)
So I drew up a table taking the Seven Transformations of Leadership from David Rooke and William R. Torbert and then I did a comparison with regards to mankind’s growth into New Age Spirituality. William Torbet promotes New Age Spiritual transformation. The outcome of my comparison is not at all surprising.
Colossians 2:8-108 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. 9For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, 10and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority
Please note that I have written my column called the Action Steps toward Enlightenment and World Transformationfrom the perspective of someone who wants to transform the world under a false Christ. As you will see the first level is a level for those who refuse to transform i.e., born again Christians: We are considered narrow minded and a hindrance to World Transformation. At the bottom of this article I then have a short summary.
The Bible verses I have included show how levels 2-7 levels are detestable before God.
[Note by DTW: Nick Arrizza is Editor of a New Ezine Called "Spirituality And Science" and is not a Christian.]
Your DNA has programmed in it your entire intergenerational family history and this sets definite limits on your emotional temperament, personality characteristics, intelligence, creativity, physical characteristics, prediliction for certain illnesses, behavior patterns, and ultimately the aging process.
All of this has a direct impact on your success, self confidence, health, relationships, and longevity. Until recently it was believed that DNA was immutable to change. There is now increasing evidence that in fact DNA can be directly programmed by the very beliefs we carry in our conscious and unconscious minds.
In other words your beliefs act as the master blueprint that programs and directs your DNA . Many of these beliefs become pre-programmed in your unconscious mind when you are too young to know how to discern their effects on you. In turn your life takes on a very definite course, and you become a reluctant and helpless passenger on this journey. The only way to free yourself from an undesirable course is to reprogram the DNA by altering the master blueprint in the mind.
[DTW: All men are born with the knowledge of God. Free will to choose. Even creation is a witness to mankind that God exists. No one has any excuse to say they did not know.
Reinhard Bonnke Twitter comment:Our Sapele Crusade has just ended. On the last night a 3 year old boy was raised from the dead. We serve a mighty God. http://bit.ly/4pbuYU – http://twitter.com/ReinhardBonnke/status/6709750192 12:21 AM Dec 16th 2009.
Ah don’t you just love it when these things happen in Africa. I especially love it because it’s completely unverifiable. This is not the first time Reinhard Bonnke had a ‘raised from the dead’ in Africa. But let’s first look at this story: [DFA comments in orange below]
“I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: ” ~ Jesus Christ (Jn 11:25)
People have been asking for more details about the 3-year-old boy that was raised from the dead last week in Sapele, Nigeria. It is a truly extraordinary story and worth some elaboration.
Last Saturday night (December 12) a woman came to the meeting with a 3-year-old son that was very ill. During the service she said that he actually passed away. I was still on the platform ministering when she brought him behind the platform. She was holding his lifeless body and weeping when the ushers found her. They confirmed that he was indeed dead and told her that all the crying in the world wouldn’t bring him back to life. [That's a nice thing to say to a mother who has just lost her child] They said, “Take him to the medical tent.” “No,” she told them, “I want to bring him to the man of God.” Security allowed her to wait there until the service was over. [Got to wait till the service is over, can't disrupt the schedule for a 3 year old boy who died during your service.]
In Hebrew thought, to meditate upon the Scriptures is to quietly repeat them, giving oneself entirely to God, and abandoning outside distractions. The two main things that we are told to meditate on are God’s word and God’s goodness. Paul tells us, “Whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things” (Philippians 4:8).
[DTW: Oh so the word 'think' in that verse now justifies practicing occult practices. SATANIC PRACTICES are NOT honourable, just, pure, lovely, commendable, of excellence, and worthy of praise unless you are speaking about another god, which you are. Think about that. Now, now, don't go sit on the floor in some quiet place, just right where you are, right now, use your brain (that GOD gave you to THINK with) and think about it. Then pick up your Bible and go find some real scripture to back up this nonsence - you will find none.]
We see the difference between the active and contemplative Christian life illustrated in the story of Mary and Martha in Luke 10:38-42. Mary sat at the feet of Jesus and heard his word, while Martha was distracted with much serving. Jesus said that Mary had chosen the best thing because she sat at his feet and was not distracted. Meditative prayer is exactly this, sitting at the feet of Jesus and hearing his word. This is a wonderful example of the art of meditative prayer. We must allow time to let the Lord speak to us through meditating on him and his word in prayer.
from the Viewpoint column of the Christian Research Journal, Fall 1987, page 31. The Editor-in-Chief of the Christian Research Journal is Elliot Miller.
It has recently become popular to speak of “the five-fold ministry,” a system of church government with apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers. The neo-Pentecostal “Restoration” movement and its offshoot, “kingdom now” teaching, claims that one of the things which God is “restoring” to the church is this five-fold ministry. The sole prooftext used to support this concept is Ephesians 4:11-13, which states that Christ gave “some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,…until we all attain to the unity of the faith and the full knowledge of the Son of God.” The word “until,” it is argued, proves that the church today needs apostles and prophets as much as evangelists, pastors, and teachers. However, it is the “building up” of the church (v.12) which must continue until the church is mature, not all five of the offices listed in verse 11. This is clear when the whole text is read as follows: “And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers; [these offices were given] to equip the saints for the work of service, [which work has as its goal] to build up the body of Christ until we all attain to the unity of the faith…” The offices of apostle and prophet would naturally cease in the church once their role in “equipping the saints” was completed; that is, once the New Testament canon was completed.
Finally I got pictures of the huge billboard outside of Rhema Church in Randburg pastored by Pastor Ray McCauley. In fact for all those signs and wonders seekers out there, this is a SIGN just for you. Beware of what Rhema Church preaches…
So what do we have here.
Yes, YOU can do anything you want *
* With a little help from GOD
Believe, belong, become Rhema
So God is not really needed anymore, because YOU can become Rhema.
Johannesburg – A Middelburg pastor, his wife and three other people have appeared in court in connection with an alleged pyramid scheme said to involve R2m, Mpumalanga police said on Thursday.
Captain Leonard Hlathi said Pastor Martin Visagie, 48, of the Revival Centre Ministries, and his wife Ellaine, 39, were released on bail of R2 000 each after an appearance on 75 counts of fraud in the Middelburg Magistrate’s Court on Wednesday.
Welnice Mostert, 24, Gregory Irvin Short, 43, also appeared in court on Wednesday and were also released on bail of R2 000 each.
Short’s wife, Debra Lorraine Short, 42, appeared in court on Thursday, when she was granted bail of R2 000.
Hlathi said the arrests followed complaints of non-payment by investors in the alleged scheme.
He said the Visagie’s properties and their home – together worth an estimated R10m – were auctioned four months ago.
Who is Mike Bickle
Mark Driscoll is a name that has grown in popularity among evangelicals especially over the past few years. Somewhat known for 
Before I carry on..actually let me not waste my all my time on this one, because I mentioned this to Cobus before. Please do all genuine Christians a favour and call yourself something other than Christian. In fact you insult pantheists by calling yourself a Christian – ever ‘meditated’ on that one? Here’s a mantra for you: ‘I must stop lying to myself’. Repeat 100x per sitting, 7x a day, for as long as it takes for you to be COMPLETELY honest. 
The well-known song “Silence is Golden may have been a hit on the singles UK charts in 1967, but the refrain “Silence is Truth” has hit the Christian Church like a tsunami, carrying with it in it’s destructive wake many unsuspecting Christians. One of the major contributors to this utterly devastating “silent” storm is the Mosaic Church in Fairlands, Johannesburg.
In Cameron’s sci-fi universe, this communion is embodied by the blue-skinned, enviably slender Na’Vi, an alien race whose idyllic existence on the planet Pandora is threatened by rapacious human invaders. The Na’Vi are saved by the movie’s hero, a turncoat Marine, but they’re also saved by their faith in Eywa, the “All Mother,” described variously as a network of energy and the sum total of every living thing.
Business, leadership, networks, churches, planting, communities, transformation, growth, change. This is all we hear lately. So I wondered if there was any correlation between the 
If you can change your DNA, are you no longer made in the image of God?
3 YEAR OLD BOY RAISED FROM THE DEAD
Well well Mark Driscoll, what do we have here…
Pastor in court for R2m fraud
