Mormonism and 7th Day Adventists and all branch offs from these churches would all fall under this category of obeying the Law – keeping the sabath etc. You taken this topic and have turned it into something it’s not meant to be.

No 3 is for born again Christians who adhered to the word of God, we are NOT legalists, we are NOT fudamentalist – BUT are called these names by others. No 3 is a genuine Christian.

You are confusing the situation completely. In fact all the stuff you wrote about would fall into no. 2 and some of it into number 1 because in the emergent (unity) movement, Mormons (who consider themselves Christian) and 7td Day Adventists (who consider themselves Christian) would be welcomed, as would Anglicans, Word of Faith, Apostolic and Prophetic, Cathocism, etc, etc, etc. As I said in No 2., everything goes, you can be any faith and everyone is welcomed.

Understand this is a individual thing, not a church thing. You know what you believe. For instance there are 2 people who go to a church (they are genuinely saved) but have not yet figured out something is wrong with the teaching at the church – they church started out ok, and now something is dodgy. Just because the church teaches rubbish does not make those 2 people unsaved. You can have an entire church full of people and not one is saved. You can have an entire church with only 2 saved people and then you can have a braai on a weeked with 10 people who fellowship withone another who are all genuinely born again.

The Body of Christ is NOT the Church. The body of Christ are individual people scattered all over the world who are truly born again.

>> Christian still sin, because the flesh is fallen. Yet, the Bible is very clear about the difference between living a sinful life and committing a sinful act.

That’s it and when you do sin you ask for forgiveness again. Being saved is not a once off ‘forgive me’ and then go off and live in constant sin. When you are born again you want to change your ways, and you will change your ways, because of the Holy Spirit’s direction in your life – but you still have the choice to not listen to Him. If you do commit a sinful act you ask God for forgiveness through Jesus Christ.

It’s so simple, but people will do anything to not have too repent – so it’s actually the hardest thing a person can do, humble themselves before God and ask for forgiveness.

When I say fundamentalism I dont mean the fundamental beliefs of Christianity. I actually mean man’s laws, mans desires, and how man can change man rather than God changing man. The traditions of men make the Word of God to no effect.

Aka: legalism

Then why do you use the word ‘fundamentalist’ when you mean ‘legalist’? It is two different things. The emergents are quite legalistic: All ‘gospels’ count and you have to keep the LAW of LOVE.

We are saved by grace alone, in faith alone, through Christ alone and it cannot be earned…

Having said that, we need to admit that we are sinners, acknowledge the sin in our lives, realise that we cannot save ourselves, repent from those sins and accept the fact that Jesus Christ is the only way to obtain salvation and be in right standing with God… Free will was restored at the Cross and once you acknowledge the above, you have the choice NOT to sin anymore…

Christian still sin, because the flesh is fallen. Yet, the Bible is very clear about the difference between living a sinful life and committing a sinful act.

Regards,

J O

One would be correct in saying that the law points to our sin and it shows the need for a Saviour.

We are saved by grace (through Christ’s death) alone and it cannot be earned.

Remember Jesus said that if we “love Him, we will obey His commandments…”

Unsaved people are slaves to sin (they have no choice BUT to sin), while religious people(trying to do good works) are under the law of Moses (which cannot save), while Christians (in the true sense of the word) are under a higher spiritual law, the law of Christ.

Jesus says that even if you only “lust after a woman, you have committed adultery…”

You cannot think for one moment that you are FREE to do what you please. Everything is bound to some or other kind of law – think about it!

Read what Jesus has to say about those “…who practice iniquity/lawlessness…”

Greetings

J O

First of all, not all so-called “Christians” believe that the Bible is the INSPIRED WORD OF GOD – let alone the WORD of GOD.

Try speaking to more “Christians” and you will see…

Secondly, there are a couple of incidents where God Himself wrote with his finger… on tablets, on the wall…

Jesus is the Word/Bible/Logos incarnate. If you don’t believe that, then there is nothing anyone can say to convince you…

Last, but not least… The CHRISTIANS who hold to the Word (Bible) of God are given the FUNDAMENTALIST label.

The emergents proudly call themselves emergent, don’t CONFUSE THE TWO!

Greetings

J O

What the Bible Teaches
About Drinking Wine
By Dr. Bruce Lackey

Scripture warns against the drinking of alcoholic wine

The Bible is consistent on this, in both the Old and New Testaments. The two previously quoted passages, Proverbs 20:1 and 23:29-35, are good examples of scriptural warnings against the consuming of alcohol. Verse 32 says, “at the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.” Verse 33 shows that it will cause one to look at strange women (that is, not one’s wife) and to say perverse things, or things which he would not say if he were sober. Verse 34 predicts that it will cause death, such as drowning, or loneliness, such as lying upon the top of a mast. Verse 35 warns against numbness (“they have beaten me and I felt it not”) and addiction (“when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again”).

Proverbs 31:4-5 teaches, “It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: lest they drink and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.” The danger is obvious.

nother passage is Isaiah 5:11, “Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them!” Obviously, this is alcoholic, because it inflames. Why does he say “Woe unto them?” Verse 12 answers, “…they regard not the work of the Lord, neither consider the operation of his hands.” Everyone knows that, when one gives himself to the drinking of beverage alcohol, he will not be more spiritual, not hungry for God, not desirous of learning the Word of God; to the contrary, it causes a person to ignore the Lord. But, verses 13-14 reveal two other serious results: people go into captivity (become slaves to something or someone) and hell enlarges herself! The drinking of alcoholic wine has caused hell to be enlarged! God does not want anyone to go to hell; He has given the greatest, dearest gift that He possibly could, to rescue sinners from it. He never made hell for people, in the first place. The Lord Jesus, Himself, said that hell was prepared for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41). However, because of evil alcohol, including alcoholic wine, hell has had an enlargement campaign. Here, then, is a clear warning against drinking alcohol, because God does not want anyone to go to hell.

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Is this article biblical or just full of theological points that the author is trying to make based on how he feels about alcohol?

And so I say just like the WOF, fundamentalism has its flaws as well.

When I say fundamentalism, I mean people that take the Bible too literally and distort it for their own desires. Here are some examples: I shouldn’t eat pork its a sin. I shouldn’t have a glass of wine its a sin. I shouldn’t smoke I’ll go to hell. Yes smoking is unhealthy, but you wont go to Hell. I dont remember Jesus saying “And he that smoketh shall be cast into hellfire.” Some people believe that if you dont worship on saturday that you’ll go to hell or “be left behind” for not following God on the correct day. Some people believe that you’ll go to hell if you’re not baptized. Some pentecostals believe that if you dont receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit you’ll go to hell. When I say fundamentalism I dont mean the fundamental beliefs of Christianity. I actually mean man’s laws, mans desires, and how man can change man rather than God changing man. The traditions of men make the Word of God to no effect.

Aka: legalism

And I have no list because once again I wasn’t talking about you personally or your website. I was talking about the “sect or group” of fundamentalists that have a distorted view of grace, law, and righteousness. Take this for example. What makes me a righteous person? By obeying God, keeping His law, trying my best to be a good person? Or am I righteous because of Christ’s righteousness? Am I holy because HE is holy? Or because I “read the Bible”? Paul said in the first part of Romans that Christ’s righteousness is bestowed upon us, in essence making US righteous before God. So that means if I sin and I will, in God’s eyes I’m still righteous. Why? Because He sees Christ and His precious blood that covers sin, when I confess it. :) I’m perfect in God’s eyes. Why? Because Christ is the perfect sacrifice for our sins, and I believe on Him who is perfect. Does me being perfect in Gods eyes mean that I will sin? Of course, we all sin and fall short of the glory of God. But when I do sin like I said above He sees the blood of Christ and His perfect atonement. For Jesus took ALL, not some but ALL, of my punishment and judgement. Every sin in the past and the future is covered under His blood. And if thats not the case well Christ would have to come and die again and again, but His blood is more powerful than that of bulls and goats.

So am I speaking in circles now that I clarified that “some” fundamentalists misinterpret grace and law. You just heard what I believe and what I said is straight from the Bible. And if its not I’d like to know and be corrected.

Be Blessed