What would Paul the apostle who was given the Word in His vists with the Lord, and proclaimed it in his apostolic epistles say about Kim Clement? I almost hate to think of the anathemas Paul or any other early apostle would pronounce on this prattle, or of the fury of God that Clement will face someday when he stands in the Lord’s presence and gives account of all his so-called “prophecies”, which are nothing but his own imaginings and have nothing to do with the Gospel, the eternal destiny of lost souls, and/or more important of what the eternal Son of God came here to do as He offered His body as a sacrifice for our sins (see Hebrews 9). The world is in such a mess now with emergent guess-work going on in the name of God, and the political loonacy of the leaders of the world, little wonder the youth today can’t think about much of anything worthwhile, except to play their electronic games and blab on their cell phones. This generation was trained by the media and Hollywood to give pious respect to the occult world, particularly startin gwith the demon called “E.T.”) andnow don’t have a clue as to what is about to break on humanity, namely the devil incarnate and the biggest deception he could ever concoct, only to end up with the Lord Jesus Christ finally having to come down and stop the madness before everything is vaporized. My advice is go back to your Bible and read the gospel of John and find out how to get genuinely ready to meet the Lord, because that’s the only hope and real sanity we’ve got left—or should I say the only thing that matters or ever did matter. The universities teaching the less than juvenile deception that everything evolved out of nothing (a big bang of something that created itself caused hundreds of billions of stars to float around each other, most of which are a million times larger than our earth, or even sun), is classic example of this last generation going totally wild-eyed nuts. -B.G.Drake P/S. I just read where a single cell has a million pages of information packed into it so as to function autonomously and have life. Thank you, Heavenly Father for getting this to us – maybe somebody will get saved by know this tid bit, along with the message of Christmas.

Who do u guys agree with?

Karin

Oh I think Rick Warren will be upset if Benny and Kim came along. Rick is after all Obama’s Christian advisor. Hmm I wonder if it’s still like that, or has he served his purpose and left his post. That might be a good thing to research.

I can’t imagine Buddy without a human mouth. Gosh, I laugh, ‘oh look at the lost sheep, ‘help me, help me’ I’m a lost sheep’ ah it bowls me over every time.

Michael

Yip, I see your point and actually it was more around definition. So I totally agree what with you have said.

Baaaad Sheep ahaa

DTW,

It’s actually a case of definition; when I was first saved, I started off in a Charismatic-word-of-faith church. Even then, without having any in-depth knowledge something just did not sound right or add up in some of the teachings. A baby Christian has a level of protection against the more blatant wolves such as the JWs and the mormons that prowl our neighbourhoods, even they can tell something just ain’t right. You rightly say that this is a work of the Holy Spirit.

However, only in time – as you study the word – can you intellectually begin to dismantle many of the ideas that come attached to erroneous teaching. The Holy Spirit does not drop instant knowledge from heaven. That’s not how it works, nor am I saying that is what you alluded to – just stating that for emphasis.

Some bible scholars, myself included, put the most emphasis on biblical literacy first. True born again Christians are being seduced because of the dumbing down of Christianity and a lack of understanding of fundamental doctrines. I could stop there and say ‘where is the Holy Spirit and the gift of discernment of spirits in this case’? Well, that’s not how it works, the same one that began a good work (the Holy Spirit) will lead one into all truth – and obviously, and eventually, away from the bad teaching.

I don’t believe discernment is essentially a gift, I believe that discernment is a biblical mandate for all Christians to test all things and prove all things. However, at the same time some Christians just have a knack at spotting error quicker than others. My view is that this is dependant on your Christian background, history and what you have been taught.

I do believe that there is a supernatural intervention where the Holy Spirit just gives you wisdom and an ability to cut through the subtlety of deception – a supernatural ability where human ability or intellect alone would not suffice. But I don’t believe this is a gift for every believer. I believe it is a gift to the body of Christ as a whole and God uses whom he will, but not to individuals, all the time. (To rephrase the same question – If this gift was given to every believer why are so many Christians in error?)

I am sure we can differ on this one and still come to the same conclusion. I see it more as a difference in definition.

Eddy

Broken inverted cross.

Michael

Heya dude, me thinks this is no so..

Discernment comes from learning the bible verse-by-verse in expositional fashion and then rightly dividing the word of truth. If it becomes a little bit tricky God may give you the gift of discerning of spirits – I personally believe this only applies to prophecy because of the context that it is written in – to be able to discern what spirit is behind the prophecy

I believe every born again Christian has the gift of discernment of spirits – there is a standard package that comes with the Holy Spirit when He comes to live in you. If you don’t have the Holy Spirit in you then you have another spirit. Also wanting to read scripture and rightly dividing the Word of truth is again something from the Holy Spirit. Without the Holy Spirit in ones life, or without the Holy Spirit speaking to an ‘almost’ lost Christian there is no hope and no discernment and they will never want to read scripture correctly. And you are correct re prophesy. All prophesy is in the Word of God and yes that indeed does take time and studying to figure out because one wants too again because of God in your life.

Having said that, not everyone will be me (thank goodness, no one wants to be me, I am nuts), or you, or Joe down the road, or Amanda, or Jacob Prasch or John MacArthur. But everyone who has the Holy Spirit in them will be able to discern – still have the choice though to go one way or choose the other way, then you turn out like Rick Warren or Kim Clement, or worse, everyone starts to look like Rob Bell.

I don’t think anyone has read about the Tower of Babel. Hopefully after your comment they might look it up. Ryan, are you listening ;)

I said in a previous post the “prophets” worst enemy is time-so we will see next week what Obama is going to do- i agree with MA above and as for the kids -up side down cross-(Satanic) symbol-”By there fruits you shall know them.satan flaunts himself right in front of peoples faces and laughs.

my 5c’s – Obama has quite a few religious personalities himself.
I’m so glad to see that i’m not alone in laughing myself to bits when looking at these adds!

seriously now, going to http://www.kimclement.com/, clement’s homepage, going to gallery, observing photo’s of him+family, was heartbreaking! go see for yourselves the pics on their t-shirts, the necklace of his youngest daughter, his tattooed oldest(?) son and so on … Kim’s newes facial pictures – his eyes have changed …
well, have a look yourselves and be glad most of us are not in public eye!
cecilia

DTW,
Glad you picked up this highlight from Steve Shultz;

(Quote) A good discernment technique is that you “SHOULD” read every word and determine that for yourself…(End of quote)

No, discernment does not come from necessarily reading every word of a ‘prophecy’. That is sleight of hand; purposely pointing the reader in the wrong direction under the auspices of trying to help the reader ‘discern’. By the very fact that the prophecy is posted on the Elijah list shows an endorsement of this ‘prophecy’. That in itself is misleading.

Discernment comes from learning the bible verse-by-verse in expositional fashion and then rightly dividing the word of truth. If it becomes a little bit tricky God may give you the gift of discerning of spirits – I personally believe this only applies to prophecy because of the context that it is written in – to be able to discern what spirit is behind the prophecy.

Discernment is not a feeling or intuition. It comes from a sound knowledge of scripture and testing to see if what these people are saying is in harmony with God’s already declared truth.

Ironically this prophecy has a measure of truth. It is God that raises up empires, he puts one down and raises up another leader. So Obama is ‘god’s man’ but not to lead the nation into righteousness but rather as a hammer of judgment for 50 Million aborted babies, the pro homosexual agenda, chucking prayer and God out of schools, teaching evolution and blatantly denying the creator, worshiping the creation rather than the creator…and so on.

The worst punishment you can get is when god gives you what you want. For instance, you are married and lust after that secretary. If you get what you want it may be the worst thing to happen to you. When the world political and ecumenical leaders come together and ask ‘god’ to bring them into unity and get rid of those that oppose this unity (aka bible believing Christians) God may just hear their prayers and grant them their wishes… (and then the rapture! They all may even thank god for this, who knows?)

Kim is right – we should pray for leaders. But my prayer is that Obama would repent and come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ and stop pursuing his globalist agenda. (Did nobody read the tower of Babel and how God is angry when what is uniting all the people is actually an anti-God, God-opposing agenda where man becomes his own, elevated god?)

Kim is clearly speaking under the influence of a different spirit – The Spirit of God brings division, NOT unity with pagans, Israel hating preachers, mystics and new agers.

And wow! The prophecy is laden with ‘peace’ here and there and ‘Obama will not leave is office in shame’. The exact opposite has to be true.

(Quote) This nation shall be awakened to a spiritual activity (End of quote)

True again, if you consider the great end time apostasy warned of in the bible, people departing from the truth to this ‘spiritual activity’.

This prophecy is a trainwreck.