Mzansi wrote:

Whst do you think about this prophecy by one Jonathan Hansen.

No 1) Not one single Bible verse given by Jonathan Hansen that claims to give a Prophecy?
The term prophecy in Biblical terms mean to interpret the Scriptures the word of God. This is not what Jonathan Hansen is doing?

No 2) I quote from what he says here : I, Jesus Christ, see through your plots of deception and warn you that catastrophe and crisis are coming. The pseudo-economic growth projections will evaporize into nothing but a sea of lies and false promises — words of good intentions that never become fulfilled. Plans of blood will be exposed as blood will be shed and continue to be shed. end of quote. http://www.worldministries.org/south_africa.html

This is nowhere to be found in the Bible my humble opinion do not believe what Jonathan Hansen says for the Word of God says test every spirit to see whether it proceeds from God and what Jonathan Hansen says does not. For Jesus never spoke these words claimed above it is not to be found in the Bible. Mzansi start to read your Bible please and start of with the ten commandments.

Whst do you think about this prophecy by one Jonathan Hansen.

http://www.worldministries.org/south_africa.html

In this one, he says South Africa’s problem of Bias and Prejudice has deep roots and was never cured by Apartheid. He implies it now manifests itself in various forms with the players having changed colour. Would you concur with this description of your country and its leadership

Mzansi

errrrrr….. ok….

Mzansi

Is that the ministry of Reconcilliation. I would love to see South Africa live up that but only through Christ the righteousness of Christ which justifies us before God not the self-righteousness that other people have displayed to the world whilst denying incidents of Xenophobia.

Please read here : http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/07/16/xenophobia-in-south-africa/
Excerpt from link above posted. Please read more at link provided.

Biblical scenario

The Bible predicts something much worse than xenophobia for the end-time. It refers to a great tribulation when the Antichrist will gain control over the world. According to Revelation 13, he will institute a new world order of political, religious and economic unity on earth. During that time, many wars and natural disasters will occur on earth, but Christians who are spiritually worthy will escape the time of divine judgements (Luke 21:36).

We should look at the bigger picture and determine our actions accordingly. South Africans should not make the mistake of predicting a racially-based war of annihilation on the basis of historical conflicts. Neither should they make the mistake of putting themselves in place of Israel and start listening to the deceptive voices of their own prophets. More importantly still: we should not fall victim to the ecumenical thinking and globalism of the Antichrist’s coming new world order, as we would then deny the true Christ. That will be the most costly mistake that any person can make.
Mzansi wrote:

Are you not just speaking out of your self-righteousness and the deception that some in South Africa give to the world whilst displaying prejudice and bias to other African immigrants in South Africa and to each other.

I think you need to lean about the word deception as the Bible teaches us. Cindy Jacobs
is a WOLF in sheeps clothing and a False Prophetess (self proclaimed by the way)

Matthew 24:24
For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will show great signs and wonders so as to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect (God’s chosen ones).

2 Timothy 3:13
But wicked men and imposters will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and leading astray others and being deceived and led astray themselves.

1 John 2:26
I write this to you with reference to those who would deceive you [seduce and lead you astray].

1 John 3:7
Boys (lads), let no one deceive and lead you astray. He who practices righteousness [who is upright, conforming to the divine will in purpose, thought, and action, living a consistently conscientious life] is righteous, even as He is righteous.

Please go read and learn above verses in context. Bible study is important to all Christians. :-)
Why are there teaching about deceiving in the Bible Msanzi??

Zimbabwe has the ministry of reconciliation that will reunite the African people.

[Actually no that's South Africa's job, you are confused]. I want to ask you I think you are a South African. Are you jealous that other nations can be given this ministry. Do you know what she means when she says Ministry of Reconcilliation. Reconcilling people to God and to each other. What do you mean when you say its South Africa’s job? Are you not just speaking out of your self-righteousness and the deception that some in South Africa give to the world whilst displaying prejudice and bias to other African immigrants in South Africa and to each other. Is that the ministry of Reconcilliation. I would love to see South Africa live up that but only through Christ the righteousness of Christ which justifies us before God not the self-righteousness that other people have displayed to the world whilst denying incidents of Xenophobia.

My name is under a stone I hope.

Thank you!!! funny name :)

Thanks this article & others. We are told the true road is narrow and hard to find. Also to watch & to not be deceived. This is a difficult call when we are surrounded by dominionist “Christianity”. Your work is encouraging.. God bless

Karin

First off, I think that the 5-fold ministry will operate as it should if we realise that titles mean nothing, that function is everything. In other words, rather than claiming the title of “Prophet”, do what a prophet is supposed to do.And if I understand scripture correctly, a prophet is supposed to speak for God and more often than not this would entail serious correction and judgement. If I listen to modern day “prophets”, they are nothing more than fortune-tellers.

To get a better understanding on this whole 5 fold ministry thing you need to find out the core of Latter Rain teaching. That Israel is the Church and we are in the outpouring as per Joel. Which is completely not true and downright dangerous to even think so. The 5-fold ministry Apostle (can be compared to the super apostles, the ones Paul rebuked in Corinthians). The Prophets (are all false) as all the prophecy we need is in the Bible. In fact there is enough prophecy in there to keep us busy for well…until the end lol. And so we go down the line. Also look into the 7 Mountains thing where 5fm (No reference to the Radio station 5 FM) Christians are trying to infiltrate government, religion, education, science, media art…etc, etc.

I used to get quite irritated when I first started this blog 2 years ago (discerningtheworld.wordpress.com) and people would come on and say, ‘Oh your name is Deborah, you must be a prophetess!!!” Shock Horror. I realised there and then that the church was going back to the Hebrew way. Hey being Christian ain’t enough, you have to be Jewish and born again and you have to join Joel’s army and try take over Jerusalem for yourself, all this while convulsing and flailing under the power of a holy Spirit.

Quite frankly I don’t see them getting very far when manifesting these conditions haha.

Hi Debora,

Thanks for clearing up the name issue! :-D
“So, now you tell me how you think the 5-fold ministry should operate?”
First off, I think that the 5-fold ministry will operate as it should if we realise that titles mean nothing, that function is everything. In other words, rather than claiming the title of “Prophet”, do what a prophet is supposed to do.And if I understand scripture correctly, a prophet is supposed to speak for God and more often than not this would entail serious correction and judgement.
If I listen to modern day “prophets”, they are nothing more than fortune-tellers.
But you are right, more study is needed.
Thanks for taking the time to give me feedback.

Deborah,

Spot on!

I heard a question on Christian radio made to Gary Kah – how come all ‘these’ people who have never formally met or discussed their agendas in any detail are pursuing the exact same goals? (ie globalism). On the other hand – how is it possible that two truly born again Christians can meet for the first time and spend the next 10 hours discussing the Lord and scripture? Without hardly any disagreement in their worldviews?

Simple answer. They are being led of the same Spirit.