>> you are in the grips of textual addiction. Tut-tut.

Ah man…that sucks!!

But seriously. Yes, they are seperating the Word of God from God. So you can throw the Bible away and just follow ‘Jesus’. What they fail to realise in all their giganticness (they must be close to the Alchamist level) that they can’t do this.

For Jesus Christ IS the Word made Flesh. If you try in anyway to change this you DENY Jesus Christ. And if in their minds they believe they have accomplished this then they DENY Jesus Christ.

The sad part is they honestly think that because they ‘say it and preach it and pass on the new message’ that it’s actually so – All they have done is created a new religion with a fake Christ where the Word (textual) no longer exists. Because what we speak now becomes the word instead. We become the gospel as per this horrendus emergent thinking.

>> “Cloud of Unknowing type of stuff is part of the missing pattern in our formation” what on earth is that? Don’t answer…I actually don’t want to know.

>> We must must must move beyond the textual addiction of modernity and move toward the place of quiet

Oh they need to hurry up and reach this place of quiet quickly – If I am not mistaken it comes with at least a 10 year pact to silence where they are not to make another peep or tweet! That can save a few hundred people from further deception.

No, no, they are giants, according to yoga enthusiast, Ron.

I am more convinced than ever that the deepest changes in how Christianity does it’s work will center around a new type of spirituality. We haven’t done a good job at helping people see how change and formation happen. And my personal hunch is we have defined the problem wrong. We seem to be sin-centric instead of imago dei-centric. Problem solving and holiness fixing, rather than freedom granting and life giving.

I spoke at a spirituality congress in South Africa where quite honestly I was a spiritual peon amongst giants. Willem Nichol, Trevor Hudson, Johan Geyser, Gys Du Plessis and Stephan Joubert all my elders and all more deeply experienced, were the docket of speakers at this conversation on the what and how of spirituality.

More than ever I am convinced apophatic spirituality, Cloud of Unknowing type of stuff is part of the missing pattern in our formation. We are clueless how to do Psalm 46.10 spirituality and instead of learning to be still (an interior condition) I think we have confused it with sitting still (an exterior posture).

The most dramatic thing I am reminded of on a nearly daily basis is just how modern, textual and information our spirituality is. Interestingly this is not where Bonaventure sat (think Soul’s Journey to God), or St Teresa of Avila (Interior Castle) or San Juan de La Cruz (St. John of the Cross) or earlier still John Cassian’s Conferences. I was reminded by these great mentors I shared the platform with just how rare the work is on interior silence is where we can watch the constructed egoic self in action. Where we take insight from what arises in our awareness and how to move toward the letting go of a centering practice (the main point of my talk Silence is the First Language of God {a quote from St John of the Cross})

We must must must move beyond the textual addiction of modernity and move toward the place of quiet. Only there can we see the judger gene, the real issue raised in the Genesis 1-3 narrative, and learn the letting go work that needs to be done for us to be deeply formed.

DTW, you are in the grips of textual addiction. Tut-tut.

>> It does not conflict with what you’ve written.

That’ll be the day…

Ah but I forgot who you are associated with, and this comment I made to you on the 24 Aug 09:

Submitted on 2009/08/24 at 6:03am

Mark

Ahh I see you are acqainted with Steve Khanya. He is Rogers ‘mentor’ or whatever. In fact I wrote an article about Steve who lumped born again Christians to the same category as those who started Inquisitions.

See above under RELATED POSTS FOR: Born Again Christians are Now Compared to Inquisitors of the Inquisitions

This conversation with you is a waste of my time, fortunately all is not lost – thankfully there is someone out there who is reading this and through the guidance of the Holy Spirit in their life will see right through the lies because they LOVE the Word of God.

Everything I’ve written about meditation can be found [AdMo: url removed]

It does not conflict with what you’ve written. You are punching into the wind.

Meditate (Based on Word of God teaching) = Normal Prayer, Prayer as in a normal conversation with God, obeying the Holy Spirit.

Mantra (does not exist in the Word of God)

Matthew 6:7 Jesus said: “And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.”

Give attendance to reading = Pay attention, read the Word of God often, make sure you are interpreting scripture correctly and you can only interpret scripture correct through the Holy Spirit. If you are not born again and have the Holy Spirit abide in you, your interpretation of scripture will always be incorrect. And the answer to this question is come to be saved Mark by Jesus Christ the Son of God and not the false Christ who offers many paths to him.

1 John 4 1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

doctrine = Correct doctrine NOT doctrine of demons (new age/occult doctrine)

Jesus tells us to be vigilant, be awake:

1 Peter 5:8 8 Be of sober spirit, be on the alert Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

2 Corinthians 11:4 4 For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully

No where in the bible do you find Jesus: Meditating, sitting with legs crossed, doing breathing exercises, repeating words over again, entering a trance like state, saying AUM, speaking about vibrations, vizualizing, walking in circles, etc, etc, etc,.

Find 1 verse in scripture where Jesus says that His message will change as the centuries change?
Find 1 verse in scripture where Jesus says his message will not be relevant to mankind 2000 years after He ascended?

You are confusing Roman Catholicism being Christian vs. genuine Christianity. Roman Catholicism is drenched in the Blood of the Saints. The Roman Christ is the Eucharist Christ permanently nailed to a crucifix whos Mother is an incarnation of many goddesses throughout the ages, right back to Egyptian Isis and her son Horus (false Christ).

The Emergent Church is a Roman Catholic vessel (their evangelization tool) being used to bring Roman Catholic authority over the earth, disguised under the banner of Genuine Christianity.

I speak the from the Gospel of Jesus Christ and you speak from the Emergent Language.

Yes. They have taken the words and have given them new meanings. When they say ‘gospel, Christ, kingdom, good, law, sin, truth, Satan, judgement, justice, redemption, be still, quiet and meditation, they mean something completely different to what the Bible teaches. It is time for an emergent dictionary!

Here is Chris Rosebrough’s review of Shane Hipps’ Sermon at Rob Bell’s Mars Hill Bible Church on the Spiritual Discipline of Silence.

YES, we both speak a different language. I speak the from the Gospel of Jesus Christ and you speak from the Emergent Gospel – Two different messages, two different languages.

I on the other hand understand you totally. I get upset because you don’t unsterstand what you are getting yourself involved in.

If that’s your research on meditation. Then I can see why 99% of the world will be following, running, tripping after the false Christ.

Mark, I am doing all your research for you, should have some of it online tomorrow. Use it, don’t use…at least I try to warn you.