Johan

I don’t doubt anything anymore. Come back in a year and let us know how your ‘new heart’ is back to it’s old ways. ok? Btw, why did you have to go to MMC, why could you not have stayed at home and asked Jesus to come into your life right there and then?

And please, I did not felt left out. The point is, Jesus speaks about the family being together, not split, are women not allowed to hear the gospel? And Johan I am gonna score you 1 point for the outdoor things and yucky amenities, but….that was not the reason why women were not allowed. The entire concept was based on Promise Keepers which is Freemason ‘brother’ hood type get together.

If you were genuinely saved Johan, I praise our Lord Jesus Christ for that. Now open your eyes to the false teaching that surrounded you at MMC and let the Holy Spirit guide you into all truth that you GROW in your relationship with Jesus. Tell me of the 250,000 men there (no it was not 400,000) ;) can you say that they were ALL converted or just some came to accept Jesus Christ – NOT because of MMC but because they were looking for Jesus Christ Himself in their hearts and nothing else.

So don’t criticise us John until you understand what is fully going on here. You see what’s happening on the outside, but underneath MMC with all their ‘praise the Lords’ and stuff things are not looking good. MMC is the trap that will lead me into more false hood. Now that you are saved – leave MMC alone and follow Jesus Christ the Son of God with the Holy Spirit in your life only.

Johan

Could you please copy and paste your comment here:

http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/04/19/stand-up-and-be-counted-might-men-conference-2010/

I would love to chat with you there.

I was at the last mighty men conference. God changed my heart. I made a new start. Do you doubt that? Angus Buchan did not lead me to Angus. He led me back to Jesus. Now I read my Bible and work on my personal relationship with Him. How can that be critisized? Ladies, I know you felt left out. But do you really want to see 400 000 men having an outdoor shower? I am sure it was a practical arrangement as well. The facilities were not well suited for women. The Sunday sermon though was open for women to attend. Please don’t just critisize.

Peet
March 5th, 2010 at 10:05 am
Deborah

This was my first time on your blog and I am amazed by the extent of criticism used to express discernment in your comments on each and every topic discussed. Since when is discernment a “license” to criticize, judge and condemn (almost) every ministry (or so-called ministry) on the planet.
I was brought up in the Reformed Theology, tried and tested the Old Apostolic Church, was then reborn and landed in the Pentecostal/ Charismatic stream where I became a Pastor.
Recently I made the brave step of cutting the cord with the Institutional Church and now I am on a simple but fantastic journey of FREEDOM in the Love of God for me.
Interestingly searching your blog, I found NOTHING on the topic of being FREE, because Christ (or can I say His Love for you) sets you free. I only found a lot of RELIGION on both sides – weather placed as a positive or negative article.
Where is the freedom that God offers?
Secondly, I really experience your discerning commentary as GRACE KILLERS. It seems that you are saying to all the ministers of the Gospel that they are condemned out of reach of the STONGEST POWER on the face of the planet: God’s LOVE & GRACE. Obviously ministers make mistakes and even mislead people sometimes, but that surely does not condemn them to hell!!
I see God’s love as the only redeeming factor needed for us to enter into a relationship with Him. NOTHING we do, or even don’t do, can earn us any points to get more or less of His love. But, when you get a revelation of the love He has for you, you will learn to TRUST it – His love for you – and by trusting Him, be drawn into a love relationship with Him. That is what God is longing for!
I honestly believe that many people miss this – the purpose of creation – playing God, by keeping themselves busy with the work of the Holy Spirit, convincing people of their trespasses and sins!
My prayer for you (and your team) is that you may have a revelation of His love for you!

Interestingly searching your blog, I found NOTHING on the topic of being FREE, because Christ (or can I say His Love for you) sets you free. (……a LIE Peet)…….
Peet first lie out of your own writings……….The LOVE of Jesus Christ never ever set me free or will set anybody free, but His love for the world was to die and redeemed our sins…..If we are prepared to admit our sins, repent from it and STOP IT BY accepting the heavy burdened price paid for us by His Loving grace on the cursed tree, then and only then we may rejoice in His love abundantly.

Obviously ministers make mistakes and even mislead people sometimes, but that surely does not condemn them to hell!!
So preacher Peet, ministers may sometimes mislead people….what a joke! Ya, surely it will not condemn them to hell but you know what, if a person died just after been misleaded and turn away from Gods grace and love, God for surely said that the blood of that person will be required at thine hand.
Eze 3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

God is geen man dat Hy sou lieg nie en die mense het vir hul predikers gekies om die gehoor te streel en net te hoor van die liefde en genade van God terwyl die mense woer woer speel in sonde en ongeregtigheid en God daardeur terg. Geld (Mammon) speel ‘n geweldige rol en kyk net hoe die predikers deesdae kaartjies verkoop om die boodskap van prosperity and earthly riches te verseker…..Absoluut teenstrydig met die evangelie wat Jesus Christus juis gegee het oor die geweldige verdrukking van hulle wat Hom waarlik liefhet en sy gebooie onderhou.
2Ti 4:3 want daar sal ‘n tyd wees wanneer hulle die gesonde leer nie sal verdra nie, maar, omdat hulle in hul gehoor gestreel wil wees, vir hulle ‘n menigte leraars sal versamel volgens hulle eie begeerlikhede,
(En net aan te gaan met sonde sonder vrees vir God…Kyk hoe lyk ons families uitmekaar geskeur en kinders in wanhoop sonder ouersa geplaas. Die onwettige MOORD op babas, die wellustige natuur van man met man en vrou met vrou, bedrog en korupsie met moord en roof sonder grense, BEE bedrog ten koste van die armes….Bankier rowers wat die mense belas met rente totdat hul nie meer kan bykom nie en dan word hul goedere van hul gesteel en beroof)
Dink julle dan God slaap. gewis nie. Hy is wakker en die grimmigheid styg tot in sy neus vir die dag van afrekeing.
Kom nou julle sondaars en bekeer julle!!!!!!! Sodat jul kan lewe vir ewig in die heerlikheid van God die Vader.

Kom nou PEET, erken dat sonde nie meer gepreek word nie en die gehoor van die mense gestreel word..Self gehoor dat Angus sê hoe kwaad hy word vir die predikers wat hel preek. Want weet jy wat, satan maak die harte sag en die vrees vir God bestaan nie meer nie, daarom wandel so baie sogenaamde kinders van God in sonde en ongeregtigheid en gee geen flenter om oor hoe en wat met selfs hul kinders aangaan en gebeur nie…..So sal God die bloed van die ouers se kinders van die ouers se hande eis.
Ecc 12:13 Die hoofsaak van alles wat gehoor is, is: Vrees God en hou sy gebooie; want dit geld vir alle mense.
Heb 10:31 Vreeslik is dit om te val in die hande van die lewende God.

Ekself is aangevat oor my uitlatings oor die vuurpoel….nou skimp dit op my as “brimstone and fire” prediking.
Jy sien Peet, die predikers is bang om die mense te waarsku want dan ly die koffers gebrek, dus lees nou oor die finale toorn van God :
Rev 20:10 En die duiwel wat hulle verlei het, is in die poel van vuur en swawel gewerp waar die dier en die valse profeet is; en hulle sal dag en nag gepynig word tot in alle ewigheid.
Rev 20:11 En ek het ‘n groot wit troon gesien en Hom wat daarop sit, voor wie se aangesig die aarde en die hemel weggevlug het; en daar is geen plek vir hulle gevind nie.
Rev 20:12 En ek het die dode, klein en groot, voor God sien staan, en die boeke is geopen; en ‘n ander boek, die boek van die lewe, is geopen. En die dode is geoordeel na wat in die boeke geskryf is, volgens hulle werke.
Rev 20:13 En die see het die dode gegee wat daarin was, en die dood en die doderyk het die dode gegee wat daarin was; en hulle is geoordeel, elkeen volgens sy werke.
Rev 20:14 En die dood en die doderyk is in die poel van vuur gewerp. Dit is die tweede dood.
Rev 20:15 En as dit bevind is dat iemand nie opgeskryf was in die boek van die lewe nie, is hy in die poel van vuur gewerp.
My volk sê ek nou moet uitkom uit al die sisteme van bedrog, leuens en verleiding gepaard met korrupsie en hul bekker tot God deur jsus Christus met belydenis van sonde, dit los en heiligmaking lewe waarsonder niemand God ooit sal sien nie.
Mag Vader in Jesus Christus sy genade ryklik en oorvloedig uitstort sodat die dowe ore kan HOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nie net hoor nie maar waaragtig bekeer…….en dan bekering en heiligmaking LEWE…….waarsonder niemand God sal sien nie……
Please note that it is not the LOVE of Jesus that will set us free, but the TRUTH and only the TRUTH and the very and only TRUTH is Jesus. (So find the scripture and be wise)
but wait, I will give it :Joh 8:32 En julle sal die waarheid ken, en die waarheid sal julle vrymaak.
Joh 14:6 Jesus antwoord hom: Ek is die weg en die waarheid en die lewe; niemand kom na die Vader behalwe deur My nie.
His LOVE is to safe our life and keep us going until we die either as a born again for eternal life or for everlasting comdemnation into the great lake of fire.
Its a choice of FREE WILL and we had to warn the people, and if not then God will surely require their blood from our hands.

Thank you Bloomie

Hello Debra, what an excellent article. You are not politically correct in your exposition of the truth….but Bibically you are so right. Even the responses you are getting is right on target. The word of God is a two edge sword ,it cuts and pierces the heart with truth, this is not comfortable to some. After all,Love is now a feeling good about our selfish self syndrome. Grace has become a license and it’s gone wild.JESUS DIED to set us free and set us in right relationship with GOD. I pray for us as believers that we dont abuse the grace of GOD…while professing to love him. Love is what we do. Thank you, for not being afraid to speak the truth…this to me is love for the bretheren, warning me of a ditch that is ahead. IF this is being a GRACE stealer I stand in need of the correct biblical definition of the term. God Bless you.

cecilia

Ja, isn’t it pityfull. ‘Gracekiller’, have you ever. It’s a new one to add to my list.

but then Deborah, many of the “leaders” with a “first time on your blog” have this reaction!
amazing that it’s this “leaders” (well, many of them) who are offended, and then criticize, blame and condemn you and then a gross group of them using foul language and warnings.
amazing…
grace killers? no ways!!! I call it “tough love”…

Peet

Since when is discernment a “license” to criticize, judge and condemn (almost) every ministry (or so-called ministry) on the planet.

So you LOVE false teaching? And are happy to accept it? Ok. The Bible tells us not to judge SIN, but it commands you TEST false teaching and warn others. If you don’t care for others, then I would have to say your love and grace is lacking. And yes we all make mistakes and then we fix the problem right? And we repent of our mistakes and then we? What? Change our ways? Right?

Apparently preaching false teaching in a church and lying to the congregation is loving and great stuff.

PS, next time someone lies to you or constantly tries to deceive you, just hug them and don’t whatever you do, DON’T tell them that what they did was wrong. Give them that license to go and hurt others with this planets new motto of ‘love and grace’.

And I condemn no one. Good grief. Stop lying.

Lovely meeting you. I think… nah, not really. You can’t be trusted to tell the truth, you are happy with leven in your bread, a rotten apple in your basket, and you have no intention of warning others of danger ahead.

How about reading other articles on my website and see how loving I am, instead of you judging me.

Eugene

>> Making a statement like…

Bwahahaha, oh please….If I started to list names I would be listing names for the next year and would not get around to writing articles. Was I supposed to list names instead? To make my brush stokes smaller? Really? Can’t please you people…either say to much or too little.

Maybe you should open your bible, cos that’s a master work of art painted with every size brush imaginable.

Besides is this all you could find wrong with this article? Obviously…otherwise you would have used a smaller brush.