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What does an Encounter mean or is that a G12?

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There seems to be a few Word of Faith churches in South Africa who speak of encounters.  Multiple ones might I add.  Now…this encounter terminology is Occult terminology.  Here is a Church in Port Elizabeth (Word of Faith Christian Centre – Jimmy and Mariana Crompton) who is attracting people to their church via Spiritualism, they call it the G12 (what ever that means…quite frankly it does not matter, they could have called it ‘Bullet Point •’ when one views a bullet point in HTML Code it shows up as the following:  • 

When you enter a trance like state either after intense ‘praise and worship’ or ‘getting people to open themselves up and express their emotions’ or via contemplation, mantras or clearing ones mind, yoga, breathing, etc. You encounter ‘yourself’.

Most people do not know that what they are actually encountering are demonic spirits who give you extreme peace and a joy unlike anything ever experienced. Now you ask, if I am encountering my inner self how on earth can I be encountering demonic spirits? Well, when you encounter yourself, you become balanced or centered within creation.  You feel one with creation.  God is creation and God is in creation. You enter into a godlike state of consciousness. Yourself = The god in you. Yourself = God.

This is the LIE you will experience once you reach this ‘SECRET’ place. Satan appears as an Angel of Light. What you think is your inner light is not you, but Satan.

Churches in South Africa have introduced training, programmes, studies, camps, weekend get aways and cell groups to introduce people to a ‘journey’ that will ‘change their lives’. This journey will expose people to the False Christ disguised as Jesus Christ. This journey will destroy your soul…but:

I pray that people who have been introduced to this New Age Spiritualism repent of their sin, ask Jesus Christ the Son of God to come into their lives by believing the True gospel of Jesus Christ. That Jesus died on a cross for our sins that we might be saved, and He rose again and is seated at the right hand of The Father. Jesus Christ is coming back soon and will judge everyone. No one is excluded. And if you choose wickedness over Jesus Christ you will face the consequences of YOUR choice.

Realise this:  Hell was created FOR Satan. At the end, all who were lead astray by Satan will burn with Him in an everlasting fire. Satan and his minions do not get to torture you, he will burn WITH you.

God loves all those who believe His Word and accept His Son Jesus Christ and genuinely REPENT OF THEIR SIN, whereby the Holy Spirit comes to abide in you.   But God WILL show wrath to ALL those who choose evil instead.

You can’t change the truth.

In John 14:6 Jesus said,

I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”  

And this is not The Christ that the world is following in droves.  Only through Jesus Christ the Son of God can you have a personal relationship with The Father! 

If God says He will punish those who willingly go against Him, then this is what He will do. Your beliefs will never change what will happen in the future. So thinking that God would never punish you because God is Love, is like burying your head in the sand.  Completely useless!

Below I have listed all churches affiliated to Word of Faith Christian Centre: [1]

  • Word of Faith Christian Centre
  • Central Fellowship
  • Cornerstone Worship Centre
  • Light on a Hill Christian Fellowship
  • Zwide Christian Centre
  • Shekinah Ministries
  • Elohim Christian Centre
  • The Branch Family Church
  • Word of Faith Uitenhage
  • New Dawn Move of Christ Foundation Ministries

Some names of people involved with this church:  [2]

They run an Education department as well:  [2]

  • Baby Heaven
  • Noah’s Ark Pre-Primary School
  • Willow Academy Junior and Senior School.

   

Resources:
[1] http://www.wordoffaith.org.za/index.php?option=com_contact&view=category&catid=9&Itemid=27
[2] http://www.wordoffaith.org.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10&Itemid=49
Main website: http://www.wordoffaith.org.za
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18 comments to What does an Encounter mean or is that a G12?

  • Discerning The World

    Rose

    Wow!! Would you be able to email me some more info on this please (if possible). Email address in the ‘About this Blog’ page at the top right of the blog.

    “connected to the Jesuits G12 organisation” again…WOW!!

  • Rose Layard

    DELETED: Promoting a health and wealth business under the disguise of a ministry.

  • Mmmm

    Some of your claims are simply not true. I used to be a member of Word of Fath and encounter simply refers to encountering God i.e. being in a really anointed meeting at a camp in which you worship God and people get saved/delivered etc.

  • Mmmm

    May I add Word of Faith does NOT ever refer to you encounter ‘yourself’ and they are not for yoga!
    The journey just simply refers to a bible course when you join the church (pre-encounter), going on a camp (encounter), a course after the camp (post-encounter) then going on 3 course where you learn how to be a cell leader.
    They are not for New Age stuff. They preach that you must ask Jesus Christ the Son of God to come into your life by believing the True gospel of Jesus Christ. That Jesus died on a cross for our sins that we might be saved, and He rose again and is seated at the right hand of The Father. That Jesus Christ is coming back soon and will judge everyone. They know that Hell was created FOR Satan. And that at the end, all who were lead astray by Satan will burn with Him in an everlasting fire etc.
    They believe that God loves all those who believe His Word and accept His Son Jesus Christ and genuinely REPENT OF THEIR SIN, whereby the Holy Spirit comes to abide in you and God WILL show wrath to ALL those who choose evil instead.
    They believe only through Jesus Christ the Son of God can you have a personal relationship with The Father!
    They know that if God says He will punish those who willingly go against Him, then this is what He will do and that your beliefs will never change what will happen in the future and that thinking that God would never punish you because God is Love, is like burying your head in the sand. Completely useless! as you have said claiming they don’t believe that.
    Most of what you say is true doctine, but claiming that Word of Faith church doesn’t believe this is simply not true! Please talk to the pastor of the church and hear for yourself if you don’t believe me.

  • Discerning The World

    Mmmmm

    You say you used to be a member of Word of Faith. What do you believe in now?

  • Discerning The World

    Mmmmm

    >>> Please talk to the pastor of the church and hear for yourself if you don’t believe me.

    Better suggestion, please open your bible and study it to find out the truth.

  • …who is attracting people to their church via Spiritualism, they call it the G12 (what ever that means…quite frankly it does not matter…

    G12 is a method by which cell groups are run and is based on the idea that Jesus had 12 discipels and gave them the commision to go and make disciples as He taught them.

    If you google “G12 cell groups” you will find a number of sites explaining the G12 Vision. This is from Wikipedia:

    G12 philosophy

    The idea of the G12 is to reach out and disciple every member and to hold every member accountable to Christ’s teachings. The main leader would disciple 12 people, they would instate Christian values, teachings, prayer and ministry on a weekly basis until their disciples were ready to lead their own groups. Each disciple would find 12 new disciples and repeat the same process until there were 144. In both theory and example this process leads the church to grow exponentially, without losing accountability of Christian values due to the eventual size of the church.

    It is based on the methodology used by Jesus to begin his ministry. Following his 40 day temptation in the desert, the first act of Jesus in his ministry was to form a group of 12 disciples (Mark 3:14). Additionally, in the book of Acts the first action taken by the 11 remaining disciples (considering Judas Iscariot’s betrayal) was to re-establish a group of 12. Seeing fit not to leave it at 11, or allow 13, but rather to cast lots, which fell on Matthias, to fulfill the 12 (Acts 1:26). It was only after they re-established the group/government of 12 for the church that the day of Pentecost came (the moment when the disciples were all filled with the Holy Spirit)

    This number 12 is considered significant as representing Government.

    Encounters

    These are weekend retreats, usually set away from the city in a conference centre.[4] Encounters generally last three days where there is basic Christian teaching on holiness, prayer, fellowship with God, forgiving, tithing, speaking life, walking in the Spirit, demonic liberation (which is also called casting out the enemy or deliverance), healing the sick, winning souls for Christ, having patience and bearing fruit. One of the main points for these “encounters” is for the believer to have a genuine repentance and revelation of what the cross is all about. Also in these encounters there is extensive prayer and use of common symbolic acts to define the end of the old and beginning of the new.

  • Discerning The World

    Oh man, I typed a whole nice comment here and then my laptop crashed *sniffs*

    Anyhow basically what I was saying….This is Law and Jewish Mysticism (Kabbalah) or Numerology all this falls into the category of Occulticism/Esotericism which has been combined with Christianity.

    In this case we can’t take Wikipedia’s word on what this ‘encounter’ stuff means. You need to do more research. Teaching people half truth and half error equates to error.

    They say that “Also in these encounters there is extensive prayer and use of common symbolic acts to define the end of the old and beginning of the new.”

    What common symbolic act(s) are they talking about here? Baptism only or? When the thief hung on the cross next to Jesus Christ all he did was believe that Jesus was the Son of God and genuinely repent of his sin. The guy didn’t even get to be baptised let alone get to do anything symbolic, ritualistic etc.

    Luke 23:35-43
    35 And the people stood by, looking on. And even the rulers were sneering at Him, saying, “He saved others; let Him save Himself if this is the Christ of God, His Chosen One.”
    36 The soldiers also mocked Him, coming up to Him, offering Him sour wine,
    37 and saying, “If You are the King of the Jews, save Yourself!”
    38 Now there was also an inscription above Him, “THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.”
    39 One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, “Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!”
    40 But the other answered, and rebuking him said, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation?
    41 “And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.”
    42 And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!”
    43 And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”

    This for me is one of the most wonderful passages. An evil man, a sinner, a man who did absolutely nothing worldly to deserve salvation, deserve to be saved. Born into a sinful world, remained sinful UNTIL that moment of being born again and Jesus said, ‘TODAY you shall be with me in Paradise”. This thief did not one single good work, no love came from this man, until He loved Jesus Christ the Son of God and repented of his wickedness. The other man…well…where did he go after he died? To Paradise? Yes or No?

    The thief/murderer a man who must have done something very bad to land up being crucified said: “But the other answered, and rebuking him said, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation?” In other words, we all REMAIN in SIN until such time as we GENUINEY REPENT and all of mankind is SENTENCED TO CONDEMNATION, to PERSISH. Yes God sent His SON Jesus Christ to save the world because He loves us – BUT that does NOT give an automatic get out of jail free card. Jesus died for us, yet practically the entire earth HATES him. They say the love Christ and God is love, but they can’t wait to hurl abide at Him like the other man on the cross did to Jesus Christ. It works both ways. God is a God of Love to those who love Him and stand up for the Truth and He is a God of Wrath to those who hate Him and He will CONDEM ALL who choose to follow other gods and other so called truths over His commandments, over His Word, over His CLEAR instructions. God does everything for HIS Glory. He will NEVER tolerate His creation disobeying Him. I mean really…who do we think we are? God wiped out the earth once because they were so sinful He could NOT TOLERATE it but saved and saved Noah some others because they were love God. What makes anything one God has changed His attitude since. Yes God sent a sign that he would not do that again, until the END came. So yes, there is an end no matter which way you look at it. Notice that God could only find Noah and a handful of others out of probably millions of people who obeyed Him. It’s the same today. A handful of genuine born again Christians stuck in world of false teaching telling everyone that there will be no End. The delusion is strong I tell you.

    So as we can see all these rituals/symbolic acts and camping trips is all a load of nonsense and nothing but taking the grace of God and turning it into law with a sprinkling of occult teaching to make it worse.

    Also all this ” teaching on holiness, prayer, fellowship with God, forgiving, tithing, speaking life, walking in the Spirit, demonic liberation (which is also called casting out the enemy or deliverance), healing the sick, winning souls for Christ, having patience and bearing fruit.” is all based on Metaphysical cult teaching. Word of Faith – you have the power in your words to make things happen. One once again we land up with New Age Emergent teaching. Word of Faith / New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and Emergent is all intertwined. Same teaching – different terminology.

    It’s like a big spider web. One World Religion (Satan) in the middle and all religions/faiths/beliefs branching off but at the same time coming back to the main idea the beginning (Genesis). We can take control of earth, make it our domain and rule over it as gods just as Satan wanted to do: take God’s place and rule over His creation.

  • Kx Esporlas

    Just to add from what Eugene Roberts quoted from Wikipedia – an Encounter is a 3 day retreat during which time God imparts life to each person who participates. It is no doubt a life changing. This is not something that man just came up with – it is biblical. The children of Israel had an Encounter. The people of Israel were oppressed in egypt and God has to raise up a deliverer named Moses and he went before the Pharaoh with a request from God – “The God of Hebrews has met with us. Now let us take a three day journey into the desert to offer sacrifices to the Lord our God.” Paul too had an encounter before he became tne greatest men in Christianity.

    I am one of those people who got totally changed from the inside out through an encounter. From being an atheist, i am now a youth leader. Praise God :)

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    KX EsporlaI

    >> an Encounter is a 3 day retreat during which time God imparts life to each person who participates. It is no doubt a life changing. This is not something that man just came up with – it is biblical. The children of Israel had an Encounter. The people of Israel were oppressed in egypt and God has to raise up a deliverer named Moses and he went before the Pharaoh with a request from God – “The God of Hebrews has met with us

    Actually it’s totally UNBIBLICAL- we as Christians do not base how we find God on how the Israeli’s did it in the OLD TESTAMENT (BEFORE JESUS CHRIST CAME). In the NEW TESTAMENT Jesus Christ gave us the Holy Spirit and it does not involve an ENCOUNTER of any sort to receive Him.

    This encounter is New Age Occult and who ever goes on these retreats are actually encountering the Kundalini false Holy Spirit that MIMICS the Biblical Holy Spirit.

  • Marianne Lotter

    You make me laugh! Goodness me …. you are trying to prove a point and you don’t even have the point! I once challenged someone like you to attend our church 10 times and then say what you say …. and I challenged you to attend Word of Faith Christian Centre in Port Elizabeth 10 times by then you could try and make your point again. As for Encounters … you clearly have NO IDEA what it’s about and assumptions don’t work well. So, my friend, I suggest you come and visit our church, attend an Encounter or two, see and experience for yourself what is going on. And as far as your information goes – maybe you should update on your facts … hahaha! You are behind with some of your gossip information …. visit our website and facebook pages for more relevant information – also visit our Arise Girlfriends facebook page … we also have Project Hope, Faith Fellowship.. so, go for it!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Marianne

    Oh you make me laugh too, imagine that.

    No where in the bible do I read about this thing called an ‘Encounter’ so would you mind explaining to us where in scripture you get this idea from? and what it’s all about? thanks!

  • Redeemed

    Oh my! Where does one start?
    How about this? http://lyndiemccauley.com/History/tabid/775/Default.aspx
    And this? http://rhemafamilychurches.co.za/?page_id=59
    And this? http://sftn.org/conference/speakers/

    Most of the information that Marianne recommended requires one to belong to Facebook. But the above links are quite enough to reveal the true nature of these “ministries”. They are corrupt to the core. Nothing new here. Just more of the same false Rhema-based “seed faith”, “prophetic”, “fire power” emotionally charged unbiblical teaching that appeals to the flesh and is devoid of the Holy Spirit. Women pastors as is so prevalent in these types of organizations.

  • Thomas

    Hello everyone. I see that the main topic is to discuss whether not not these encounter retreats are of God or not. I see opposing view so I wonder, who is right and who is wrong? Who is discerning properly? Well, how do we discern? We discern with both the Scriptures and the Spirit of God. If we discern with only the scriptures but ignore the Spirit then how do we know that we are properly understanding and applying the scriptures? The Pharisees made the mistake of Discerning only by the letter of the law but not the Spirit of the law and Jsus rebuked them. On the other hand if we discern only by the Spirit and ignore the scriptures, how do we know that we are not listening to a wrong spirit unless we compare it to the Word of God.

    It seems obvious to me that the author if this article is discerning only by the letter. I know you (author) won’t like this comment but I have discerned you through your words and I can clearly see that something is not right in your judgements. And I consider that you will either delete my comment or be insulted by what I said and immediately lash out against it. But don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying that your are a bad person, but rather you are off in your judgements regarding this topic.

    I am a missionary and traveling minister here in the Philippines. The home church that I attend is G-12. I attend the church but I do not take place in the G-12 system. The reason is because I find that G-12 takes good biblical principles such as evangelism, discipleship, cell groups (or small Christian gatherings) to unbiblical extremes that can be unhealthy, yet on the other hand the leaders of the church, who I know personally and spend time with casually are highly anointed, and possess a great character. Their weakness is not recognizing and acknowledging the problems in the system that they are applying.

    One thing that must be realized is that G-12 is not a religion but a strategy and this strategy is applied to greatly varying degrees throughout the churches and often subject to being changed based upon the doctrinal views of the church. I have seen and heard of some Churches doing things in their G-12 practice that other G-12 churches would disagree with. I do not deny that there are very likely churches out there that are practicing encounters in an unbiblical way. However I have witnessed g-12 churches holding a retreat called by the name “encounter” but practiced in a Biblical way. I know because I have witnessed it and have had the privilege of being a guest speaker during several of them.

    From what I have witnessed, it is basically an event where people are ministered to for several days regarding topics based upon Scripture. I know because I have all of the PowerPoint notes of each topic saved on my computer. They talk about guarding our mouth and thereby watching how we speak. Sexual purity. It discusses guarding our ears by being cautious of what we listen to. It discusses what Christ accomplished on the cross and how through it was are Forgiven. Basically each of these topics are communicated in a teaching/ preaching type way in the same way that a pastor ministers to his congregation on Sunday. Oftentimes at the end of the session there will be a time of ministry where the individual can ask God to help them apply what they have just learned and may receive prayer from the staff.

    If somone was to say that a person can only experience God through an encounter retreat then I would sharply oppose them, but a person can draw near to God during that time. It is also possible that someone can attend such an event and not encounter God. I personaly attended one and i did not encounter God any greater than i would if i prayed to Him in my bedroom. If somone was to say that every Christian must attend an encounter retreat, then again I would sharply oppose that, but I have no problem with a person who chooses to attend one, after seing people’s life’s greatly encouraged by them.

    Yes the Bible does not say that we should hold 3 day retreats to seek God through the scriptures and prayer, but just because it does not say it does not mean that it is wrong to practice it. Just as many churches often structure their services by playing 2 fast praise songs and 3 slow worship songs followed by one hour of preaching. The Bible does not say that is how our services need to be run, but there is nothing wrong with practicing that. The problem comes when we say that it is the ONLY way of running a service and there is no other proper method.

    As a final note. I do acknowledge that some churches may be improperly Imposing and operating these encounter retreats and be practicing some unbiblical things but that does not mean that all of them are such.

    God bless.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Thomas

    I discern that you are deceived. It’s amazing how you provide absolutely no scripture to back up your comment even though you speak about the Word. Yes, satan knows the bible too, but he twists it, just like you are doing.

  • Redeemed

    Thomas, did you check out the links I gave? Apparently not.

    I agree with Deborah that you are deceived. “Anointed” people (as you describe the leaders of the G-12 church you attend) will not endorse or participate in these activities. And although you say you do not participate in the events they promote, you have fellowship with those leaders. Do you know what the Bible says about that? Try “double-minded” for starters. See what the Bible says about that condition.

    I hope you learn how to properly discern. You make the statement that we can’t use the Bible alone without the Holy Spirit. Hello! The Holy Spirit wrote the Bible! There is a counterfeit “holy spirit” that these people look to and are inspired by. Any discerning person would want no part of it and would flee in the other direction.

  • Bosch

    Hi im part of what you called “occult” g12. How can you tell g12 is an occult? I can shout at the top of my lungs how blessed and thankful I am that God put me on a g12 church. Most churches here in the Philippines are becoming “exclusive” if the church has a majority rich members then they will set up events and stuffs that the poor will not relate to. But in our church it is inclusive everyone is allowed and they will feel that we are a family and we even shake hands with the first timers. We set up events and stuffs that every hearts will be touch by Jesus. Our church has three principles: First our purpose to love God and to love people (Luke 10:27); Second our vision to win souls and make disciples(Matthew 28:16-20); and lastly our goal to make every believer a leader (Proverbs 27:17). And I can find nothing wrong with this. You say that G12 is a strategy or some culture training because of the encounters. I tell you PEPSOL (Pre-Enc. Enc. Post-Enc. School of Leaders) will really help you to grow as a chistian. You will accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, will learn how to overcome trials and temptations, learn how to win over your life, the compassion for the lost,how to be used by God not just in music ministry/etc. but as leader/discipler. Christians are never meant to be just hearers and a disciple or part of the “sitting ministry”. We must know that each of us are entrusted with the great commission TO WIN SOULS AND MAKE DISCIPLES a truly saved person will also save others. But it is your choice but never expect a blessing of a leader. “…For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you” (Luke 6:28). But for me I will still continue to serve God do my purpose, vision and goal and I can see myself as a leader of leaders in the near future.

    AND LASTLY BASED ON WHAT I’VE SEEN ON THE COMMENTS, YOU ARE AN ISSUE-CENTERED! A CHURCH OR A CHRISTIAN THAT IS AN ISSUE-CENTERED IS NOT A CHRIST-CENTERED OR NOT EVEN A CHRISTIAN! DO YOU KNOW WHY THERE IS SO MANY DIVISIONS OF CHRISTIANITY NOWADAYS BECAUSE THEY ARE SO ISSUE-CENTERED THEY ARE BLINDED WITH THEIR PRIDE AND JUDGMENTS. MANY CHURCHES HAVE SPIRIT OF COMPETENCE AMONG OTHER CHURCHES OR OTHER CHRISTIANS. YOUR MINISTRY WILL NOT GROW IF THAT’S WHAT YOUR DOING SURELY YOUR MINISTRY WILL NOT GROW. REMEMBER SATAN COULD NOT CRUSH SATAN AND GOD COULD NOT CRUSH HIMSELF. BUT WHAT ARE YOU DOING NOW YOUR CRUSHING EACH OTHERS! ARE WE NOT HAVE THE SAME GOD? SAME LORD THAT WE SERVE? SAME NAME THAT WE CONFESS? THAT IS JESUS CHRIST.

  • Baldwin

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